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> The problem here is what are they going to find that ISN'T Illegal? This isn't really a problem. Cops can get a warrant to search your house, and I'm pretty

by andylei 15y ago

> The problem here is what are they going to find that ISN'T Illegal? This isn't really a problem. Cops can get a warrant to search your house, and I'm pretty sure they'll find some things that aren't illegal, but are very personal. If you restrict evidence finding procedure to those in which only evidence (and nothing else) can be found, then I'm pretty sure you'll end up with no evidence.

andylei 15y ago
do people here honestly believe that its not okay for cops with warrants to search someone's encrypted hard drive because they might find something that's not illegal?
- WalterBright 15y ago
  Many people have secrets that, if disclosed, could ruin their lives even though they are not illegal. For example, a politician with politically unacceptable activities. I'm sure you can come up with examples, such are regularly reported on the news.
  - tedunangst 15y ago
    How is that different from finding naughty stuff in the closet while searching for the murder weapon?
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  It is never okay for my privacy to be compromised. I don't care if they have a piece of paper that says that I'm not supposed to care. This has nothing to do with things that may or may not be "illegal".
  - tedunangst 15y ago
    How do you propose police execute a search warrant in someone's house? Or should the police never be allowed in your house under any circumstance?
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      "Or should the police never be allowed in your house under any circumstance?" The only circumstance is with my consent. Unfortunately I cannot prevent physical intrusions. When it comes to security of data however thankfully things have been improving.
      - jiggy2011 15y ago
        Sometimes the police might need to enter someones property or get access to data to stop crime. Whilst I think that of course people should stand up for civil liberties etc we have to bear in mind if we completely neutered the police your civil liberties aren't worth shit as a criminal can just take them from you as nobody has enough power to gather evidence against them. You then risk people turning to mob justice with no due process whatsoever.
        burgerbrain 15y ago
        In a world where I have an absolute defence against the invasion of police officers, I also have protection against criminals. The "real world" version of cryptography does not of course exist, but nevertheless I subscribe to the belief that all transactions should be voluntary. Police can serve warrants to search my home. There is nothing I can do to stop them, and I won't attempt to stop them (since I value my life). However that does not mean I consent or approve. "They have a warrant", provides me with zero comfort. tl;dr: Police are going to keep being police without my approval, so I don't see why my system of ethics needs to give them room to operate.
  - andylei 15y ago
    this an absolutely ridiculous position. if you are charged with a crime, police absolutely do and should investigate for evidence, which includes breaching your privacy. the entire of idea of finding evidence is to breach your privacy. without this, almost no crimes would have enough evidence to go to prosecution. that includes stuff that you don't care about, like privacy, and maybe stuff you do care about, like murders and kidnapping

by andylei 15y ago

andylei 15y ago

do people here honestly believe that its not okay for cops with warrants to search someone's encrypted hard drive because they might find something that's not illegal?

WalterBright 15y ago
Many people have secrets that, if disclosed, could ruin their lives even though they are not illegal. For example, a politician with politically unacceptable activities. I'm sure you can come up with examples, such are regularly reported on the news.
- tedunangst 15y ago
  How is that different from finding naughty stuff in the closet while searching for the murder weapon?
burgerbrain 15y ago
It is never okay for my privacy to be compromised. I don't care if they have a piece of paper that says that I'm not supposed to care. This has nothing to do with things that may or may not be "illegal".
- tedunangst 15y ago
  How do you propose police execute a search warrant in someone's house? Or should the police never be allowed in your house under any circumstance?
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    "Or should the police never be allowed in your house under any circumstance?" The only circumstance is with my consent. Unfortunately I cannot prevent physical intrusions. When it comes to security of data however thankfully things have been improving.
    - jiggy2011 15y ago
      Sometimes the police might need to enter someones property or get access to data to stop crime. Whilst I think that of course people should stand up for civil liberties etc we have to bear in mind if we completely neutered the police your civil liberties aren't worth shit as a criminal can just take them from you as nobody has enough power to gather evidence against them. You then risk people turning to mob justice with no due process whatsoever.
      - burgerbrain 15y ago
        In a world where I have an absolute defence against the invasion of police officers, I also have protection against criminals. The "real world" version of cryptography does not of course exist, but nevertheless I subscribe to the belief that all transactions should be voluntary. Police can serve warrants to search my home. There is nothing I can do to stop them, and I won't attempt to stop them (since I value my life). However that does not mean I consent or approve. "They have a warrant", provides me with zero comfort. tl;dr: Police are going to keep being police without my approval, so I don't see why my system of ethics needs to give them room to operate.
- andylei 15y ago
  this an absolutely ridiculous position. if you are charged with a crime, police absolutely do and should investigate for evidence, which includes breaching your privacy. the entire of idea of finding evidence is to breach your privacy. without this, almost no crimes would have enough evidence to go to prosecution. that includes stuff that you don't care about, like privacy, and maybe stuff you do care about, like murders and kidnapping