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Mind that the ticket excludes all fast trains, it's only for local trains. Still pretty good, but you shouldn't get the wrong idea and think you can suddenly us

Mind that the ticket excludes all fast trains, it's only for local trains. Still pretty good, but you shouldn't get the wrong idea and think you can suddenly use every train.

TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
Is “fast” here just the higher-speed inter-city services, or would some intra-city services also be excluded?
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- sokols 4y ago
  It excludes ICE and IC trains, other regional trains like RE or RB and local means of transport (Trams, Buses ad U-Bahn) are included.
- pph 4y ago
  "Fernverkehr" (long-distance: ICE, IC, EC) is excluded, "Nahverkehr" (RB, RE, S, U, Bus) included.
  - fock 4y ago
    still you can for example go from Berlin to Munich in about 10h with the latter option. (was 50€/day last time I tried for fun...)
    - moooo99 4y ago
      Its also worth mentioning that there are express connections between big cities that are relatively close. For example, there is a sprinter connection between Nürnberg and Munich that takes about 90 minutes using a regional train instead of the 60 minutes it would take with an ICE.
      - majewsky 4y ago
        Same for Dresden-Leipzig. I usually take the ICE since I have a Bahncard 100. In addition to the real time saved, it also feels a lot faster if you're not stopping every 5 minutes.
        usrusr 4y ago
        And you get a different audience. I'm trying to not go down the Musk road of considering sharing an enclosure with random strangers completely unacceptable (I do actually enjoy that part of public transit, even if individual experiences are hardly ever positives in isolation, the whole, in some ways is so much better than the sum of its parts!), but on trains intended for long distance there's just less of a school bus vibe. I wonder if we might see a return of separate premium fare seating?
        majewsky 4y ago
        You mean 1st class?
        usrusr 4y ago
        Yeah, nothing fancy, just a simple "contribute a little more money to avoid the worst". That would still be far more in touch than hiding behind car doors.
        pantalaimon 4y ago
        ICE has also much more comfortable seats than regional trains
        rusticpenn 4y ago
        That's around 450 euros per month right?
        majewsky 4y ago
        It comes out to around 170 euros per month for me because my employer pays for it in lieu of a company car, and I only have to pay income tax and such on it ("geldwerter Vorteil").
  - Zetobal 4y ago
    Most IREs are included as well.
ffritz 4y ago
This is correct and to show what that means: Frankfurt to Berlin with a fast ICE: 4 hours, no changes. With regional trains only: 10-14 hours, 3-6 changes. With a car this trip is 5 hours. No one in their right mind would ever do such a trip with regionals only, it is extremely painful. In addition, the chance that one of the connections will be missed is extremely high.
- Aachen 4y ago
  I don't think it's meant to let you replace all car trips you could possibly make with a single 50 euro payment per month. Nobody in their right mind would, yeah. So they just have to pay for the train if they don't want to buy and maintain and fuel a car for such journeys. Myself, I'd never consider going by car between such well-connected cities, I'd have to drive (can't read a book for those 5 hours) and deal with parking and either rent or borrow a car (or buy, I suppose).
  - gerl1ng 4y ago
    I think the game changer of this ticket is to replace the second or third family car. The few occasions that you actually needed more than one car you could now just do with public transport without a lot of hassle. Question is if the 600€/annum is cheap enough for people to opt for this. But at least many companies are looking into giving the 49€ ticket at a discount - and that is actually desired from the state as the state also gives the company a discount if they do so.
- netrus 4y ago
  Sure, but if you miss your connection you can just take the next train. Frankfurt to Berlin might be impossible, but Hamburg to Berlin is manageable (4-5h), if money is tight, as is Hamburg to Sylt (3h) and many other connections in the 200-400 km range.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Assuming there is a next train. Two weeks ago, the usual "person on the train line" cancelled all traffic for two hours, with the usual cascading effect for connections. So instead of arriving at 7pm, I ended up reaching home about 10pm. I was 30 km away from home.
usrusr 4y ago
True, and it's a bit of a problem that the pennywise are now lured into abusing regional trains for long distance travel. Because that can considerably worsen the experience for commuters. The main improvement is that now a subscription to your home public transit can also be used when you visit a different city, this is huge. Just like a car registered in Munich can be used to get groceries on a visit to Hamburg without registering there. The inclusion of regional trains is mostly a side effect of keeping it simple while not excluding those whose commute includes regional trains if done by public transit (which isn't rare at all, and excluding them would be impossible because they are the most well-heard group in politics).

Mind that the ticket excludes all fast trains, it's only for local trains. Still pretty good, but you shouldn't get the wrong idea and think you can suddenly use every train.

TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago

Is “fast” here just the higher-speed inter-city services, or would some intra-city services also be excluded?

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sokols 4y ago
It excludes ICE and IC trains, other regional trains like RE or RB and local means of transport (Trams, Buses ad U-Bahn) are included.
pph 4y ago
"Fernverkehr" (long-distance: ICE, IC, EC) is excluded, "Nahverkehr" (RB, RE, S, U, Bus) included.
- fock 4y ago
  still you can for example go from Berlin to Munich in about 10h with the latter option. (was 50€/day last time I tried for fun...)
  - moooo99 4y ago
    Its also worth mentioning that there are express connections between big cities that are relatively close. For example, there is a sprinter connection between Nürnberg and Munich that takes about 90 minutes using a regional train instead of the 60 minutes it would take with an ICE.
    - majewsky 4y ago
      Same for Dresden-Leipzig. I usually take the ICE since I have a Bahncard 100. In addition to the real time saved, it also feels a lot faster if you're not stopping every 5 minutes.
      - usrusr 4y ago
        And you get a different audience. I'm trying to not go down the Musk road of considering sharing an enclosure with random strangers completely unacceptable (I do actually enjoy that part of public transit, even if individual experiences are hardly ever positives in isolation, the whole, in some ways is so much better than the sum of its parts!), but on trains intended for long distance there's just less of a school bus vibe. I wonder if we might see a return of separate premium fare seating?
        majewsky 4y ago
        You mean 1st class?
        usrusr 4y ago
        Yeah, nothing fancy, just a simple "contribute a little more money to avoid the worst". That would still be far more in touch than hiding behind car doors.
      - pantalaimon 4y ago
        ICE has also much more comfortable seats than regional trains
      - rusticpenn 4y ago
        That's around 450 euros per month right?
        majewsky 4y ago
        It comes out to around 170 euros per month for me because my employer pays for it in lieu of a company car, and I only have to pay income tax and such on it ("geldwerter Vorteil").
- Zetobal 4y ago
  Most IREs are included as well.

ffritz 4y ago

This is correct and to show what that means: Frankfurt to Berlin with a fast ICE: 4 hours, no changes. With regional trains only: 10-14 hours, 3-6 changes. With a car this trip is 5 hours. No one in their right mind would ever do such a trip with regionals only, it is extremely painful. In addition, the chance that one of the connections will be missed is extremely high.

Aachen 4y ago
I don't think it's meant to let you replace all car trips you could possibly make with a single 50 euro payment per month. Nobody in their right mind would, yeah. So they just have to pay for the train if they don't want to buy and maintain and fuel a car for such journeys. Myself, I'd never consider going by car between such well-connected cities, I'd have to drive (can't read a book for those 5 hours) and deal with parking and either rent or borrow a car (or buy, I suppose).
- gerl1ng 4y ago
  I think the game changer of this ticket is to replace the second or third family car. The few occasions that you actually needed more than one car you could now just do with public transport without a lot of hassle. Question is if the 600€/annum is cheap enough for people to opt for this. But at least many companies are looking into giving the 49€ ticket at a discount - and that is actually desired from the state as the state also gives the company a discount if they do so.
netrus 4y ago
Sure, but if you miss your connection you can just take the next train. Frankfurt to Berlin might be impossible, but Hamburg to Berlin is manageable (4-5h), if money is tight, as is Hamburg to Sylt (3h) and many other connections in the 200-400 km range.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Assuming there is a next train. Two weeks ago, the usual "person on the train line" cancelled all traffic for two hours, with the usual cascading effect for connections. So instead of arriving at 7pm, I ended up reaching home about 10pm. I was 30 km away from home.

usrusr 4y ago

True, and it's a bit of a problem that the pennywise are now lured into abusing regional trains for long distance travel. Because that can considerably worsen the experience for commuters. The main improvement is that now a subscription to your home public transit can also be used when you visit a different city, this is huge. Just like a car registered in Munich can be used to get groceries on a visit to Hamburg without registering there. The inclusion of regional trains is mostly a side effect of keeping it simple while not excluding those whose commute includes regional trains if done by public transit (which isn't rare at all, and excluding them would be impossible because they are the most well-heard group in politics).