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The US didn't allow the Chinese vaccine to be used either. It's Also because of ego across the board. It still isn't allowed in the US. There were definitely s

The US didn't allow the Chinese vaccine to be used either. It's Also because of ego across the board. It still isn't allowed in the US. There were definitely supply problems in the US in the beginning.

refurb 4y ago
Did China submit their vaccine to the FDA? Not as far as I’m aware. And before China opened up millions of doses were being destroyed by countries who bought too much. China absolutely could have gotten mRNA vaccines. Hell, Hong Kong had them. So like i said, they could have gotten access to some mRNA vaccines, they choose not to.
- onethought 4y ago
  > China absolutely could have gotten mRNA vaccines. Hell, Hong Kong had them. Hong Kong has 7 million people… 7 million != 1.3 billion.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Are you saying Hong Kong can't produce more vaccine than its own population? I mean, the US produced enough for 20x it's population.
    - onethought 4y ago
      I’m saying no one could produce enough supply for the whole world plus China. That capability is only just coming online nowish. And yes HK couldn’t produce or purchase the billions of doses required to vaccinate the mainland. I’m saying that too
      - refurb 4y ago
        They dont need to produce enough for all of China. They could have imported 100M and used that. They didnt.
        onethought 4y ago
        It would have been pointless. 10% vaccinated would not have had a big enough impact rate of hospitalisation. I think you don’t really understand the problem.
    - hnfong 4y ago
      Hong Kong imported the vaccines. The city was international enough that using a foreign (non-Chinese) vaccine wasn't a political statement that the Chinese vaccine wasn't as effective. The political calculus is different for China generally.
      - refurb 4y ago
        The plan was to manufacturer the vaccine in Asia for the Chinese market. I agree that the politically, China didn't want to use Western vaccines. BioNTech and Fosun Pharma are setting up a 50-50 joint venture to make and sell the COVID mRNA shot in China, with manufacturing capacity to produce up to 1 billion doses a year, Fosun said in a filing (PDF) to the Hong Kong Exchange on Sunday. https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/biontech-fosun-pharma-eye-1b-doses-covid-19-vaccine-capacity-new-china-jv https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/biontech-fosun-ph...
        onethought 4y ago
        Setting up… so you’re saying they don’t have access to it now… Which means they didn’t have access to it in January… Which was my point the entire time.
        refurb 4y ago
        They always had access to it. Either through imports or manufacturing in Hong Kong. They choose not to use it.
        onethought 4y ago
        This just isn't true. There has never been enough global supply for China AND the rest of the world. If there was, why (as you stated) would they be setting up net-new manufacturing of it? That, coupled with the fact that the Chinese population have resisted getting vaccinated meant that it was never a viable strategy to purchase billions of doses and open up. The only option they had was COVID-0 style strategies.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  The FDA would be asking for submission if that vaccine was from Europe. There was a huge supply side problem in the US in the initial stages of the pandemic and any additional vaccines could have alleviated this issue.
  - refurb 4y ago
    The FDA doesn't "ask" for submission. The manufacturer initiates the review.
    - kilgnad 4y ago
      Don't be so pedantic. When people are dying and supply is low, "asking" for it is a valid move whether by the FDA or the president. The fact that it wasn't done is deliberate from both sides.
      - refurb 4y ago
        That's not how it works. I should know - I've submitted things to the FDA. If the Chinese vaccine manufacturers wanted an FDA review, they can pay a fee and get it.
        kilgnad 4y ago
        It's not about the technicalities of submission. It's about whether or not there was political desire to "bend the knee" and ask for a vaccine. The answer is obviously no. Neither side will do it.

refurb 4y ago

Did China submit their vaccine to the FDA? Not as far as I’m aware. And before China opened up millions of doses were being destroyed by countries who bought too much. China absolutely could have gotten mRNA vaccines. Hell, Hong Kong had them. So like i said, they could have gotten access to some mRNA vaccines, they choose not to.

onethought 4y ago
> China absolutely could have gotten mRNA vaccines. Hell, Hong Kong had them. Hong Kong has 7 million people… 7 million != 1.3 billion.
- refurb 4y ago
  Are you saying Hong Kong can't produce more vaccine than its own population? I mean, the US produced enough for 20x it's population.
  - onethought 4y ago
    I’m saying no one could produce enough supply for the whole world plus China. That capability is only just coming online nowish. And yes HK couldn’t produce or purchase the billions of doses required to vaccinate the mainland. I’m saying that too
    - refurb 4y ago
      They dont need to produce enough for all of China. They could have imported 100M and used that. They didnt.
      - onethought 4y ago
        It would have been pointless. 10% vaccinated would not have had a big enough impact rate of hospitalisation. I think you don’t really understand the problem.
  - hnfong 4y ago
    Hong Kong imported the vaccines. The city was international enough that using a foreign (non-Chinese) vaccine wasn't a political statement that the Chinese vaccine wasn't as effective. The political calculus is different for China generally.
    - refurb 4y ago
      The plan was to manufacturer the vaccine in Asia for the Chinese market. I agree that the politically, China didn't want to use Western vaccines. BioNTech and Fosun Pharma are setting up a 50-50 joint venture to make and sell the COVID mRNA shot in China, with manufacturing capacity to produce up to 1 billion doses a year, Fosun said in a filing (PDF) to the Hong Kong Exchange on Sunday. https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/biontech-fosun-pharma-eye-1b-doses-covid-19-vaccine-capacity-new-china-jv https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/biontech-fosun-ph...
      - onethought 4y ago
        Setting up… so you’re saying they don’t have access to it now… Which means they didn’t have access to it in January… Which was my point the entire time.
        refurb 4y ago
        They always had access to it. Either through imports or manufacturing in Hong Kong. They choose not to use it.
        onethought 4y ago
        This just isn't true. There has never been enough global supply for China AND the rest of the world. If there was, why (as you stated) would they be setting up net-new manufacturing of it? That, coupled with the fact that the Chinese population have resisted getting vaccinated meant that it was never a viable strategy to purchase billions of doses and open up. The only option they had was COVID-0 style strategies.
kilgnad 4y ago
The FDA would be asking for submission if that vaccine was from Europe. There was a huge supply side problem in the US in the initial stages of the pandemic and any additional vaccines could have alleviated this issue.
- refurb 4y ago
  The FDA doesn't "ask" for submission. The manufacturer initiates the review.
  - kilgnad 4y ago
    Don't be so pedantic. When people are dying and supply is low, "asking" for it is a valid move whether by the FDA or the president. The fact that it wasn't done is deliberate from both sides.
    - refurb 4y ago
      That's not how it works. I should know - I've submitted things to the FDA. If the Chinese vaccine manufacturers wanted an FDA review, they can pay a fee and get it.
      - kilgnad 4y ago
        It's not about the technicalities of submission. It's about whether or not there was political desire to "bend the knee" and ask for a vaccine. The answer is obviously no. Neither side will do it.