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He's building out same features that already work on many other devices. Yes, there are hundreds of laptop models with fully working hardware (including sleep,

by izacus 4y ago

He's building out same features that already work on many other devices. Yes, there are hundreds of laptop models with fully working hardware (including sleep, bluetooth, speakers, power saving and whatnot), so there have already been plenty of developers that were "product" guys. And that's all even if we ignore Android and ChromeOS devices exist. It doesn't make Hectors contribution any less important for all of the Apple fans, but putting down other Linux developers like this is disgusting.

seba_dos1 4y ago
Exactly. These days there are several vendors preinstalling GNU/Linux on their machines where everything works, and it's really not hard to find machines where it's not preinstalled but where everything works anyway. These memes are memes because it's also not hard to stumble upon a machine where it doesn't if you just take a random one, but that's hardly surprising - just take a look at how much effort it takes to run Windows on Steam Deck and have everything work well there. Someone needs to put that effort first when the vendor does not. I love those "I had issues so everyone else must have had them too" takes. I can give some anecdata too: the last integration issue I had on machines I've been running GNU/Linux on was a non-working SoundBlaster Audigy card somewhere around 2006 - and I've been mostly using laptops afterwards, some of them being from vendors that didn't provide any GNU/Linux support at all. (that sound card eventually gained support in ALSA, by the way)
- cassepipe 4y ago
  He does make a point of wanting things to work well. I have been using Linux on a 2013 laptop for five years now and I can't say I have ever run into a problem. I do remember having to install some obscure wifi driver (that was in the repo!) for some other older machine but that is all. But I am not sure it works well. Hibernation never worked. Was performance, sound optimal ? Battery life ? I love that they are working on thing like that.

by izacus 4y ago

seba_dos1 4y ago

Exactly. These days there are several vendors preinstalling GNU/Linux on their machines where everything works, and it's really not hard to find machines where it's not preinstalled but where everything works anyway. These memes are memes because it's also not hard to stumble upon a machine where it doesn't if you just take a random one, but that's hardly surprising - just take a look at how much effort it takes to run Windows on Steam Deck and have everything work well there. Someone needs to put that effort first when the vendor does not. I love those "I had issues so everyone else must have had them too" takes. I can give some anecdata too: the last integration issue I had on machines I've been running GNU/Linux on was a non-working SoundBlaster Audigy card somewhere around 2006 - and I've been mostly using laptops afterwards, some of them being from vendors that didn't provide any GNU/Linux support at all. (that sound card eventually gained support in ALSA, by the way)

cassepipe 4y ago
He does make a point of wanting things to work well. I have been using Linux on a 2013 laptop for five years now and I can't say I have ever run into a problem. I do remember having to install some obscure wifi driver (that was in the repo!) for some other older machine but that is all. But I am not sure it works well. Hibernation never worked. Was performance, sound optimal ? Battery life ? I love that they are working on thing like that.