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Heh im French, and when time came to emigrate because I had become fluent in English and tired of France, the choice between the US and China was trivial: I cho

by xwolfi 4y ago

Heh im French, and when time came to emigrate because I had become fluent in English and tired of France, the choice between the US and China was trivial: I chose China. It's more atheist, safer, more optimistic generally. I think we ignore it right now, but there s a little migration wave towards China that goes beyond "rich executive parachuted in Shanghai branch", and while we re far from democracy or any kind of "Chinese dream", well, I think I ended up much much better in China than I would have in the US... China is frigging great, the people are amazing, and we all will build this country despite the communists and the americans doing all they can to fuck it up :D Come back!

paulryanrogers 4y ago
What a refreshing perspective. Can you elaborate more on the pros? And what you see as the USA's cons?
pedrosorio 4y ago
You seem surprisingly certain that you’d have been worse in the US even though you never moved there in the first place. On one hand, being convinced you made all the right decisions is great for your happiness. On the other hand, as a fellow European who emigrated, and who has faced no issues due “religiosity, lack of safety or pessimism” in the US, I still have no clue if I would have “ended up better” in China or the US.
neoromantique 4y ago
>we all will build this country despite the communists Yeaah, Russians were doing a good job building the country despite their government, but oppressive dictatorships have a way of manifesting themselves in your life, even if you don't manifest in theirs.
- argiopetech 4y ago
  > Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. -- Pericles
pewpew2020 4y ago
Yes its the amercans doing all they can to fuck it up ... poor CCP with all their homegrown tech and businesses. Why won't they let them be?
Symbiote 4y ago
I see the opposite: European friends who moved to China in the last 15 years leaving, because they can no longer implicitly support an increasingly authoritarian regime so close to Russia. Covid, China's response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the way Hong Kong's separate systems were overridden were all factors, plus propaganda-supported anti-European racism for two people I know who lived in "smaller" cities.
t-3 4y ago
Can you give any comment on the experience living and working in China as a foreign national? How open is the country to permanent immigration/what is the process like? What levels of fluency and literacy are required?

by xwolfi 4y ago

paulryanrogers 4y ago

What a refreshing perspective. Can you elaborate more on the pros? And what you see as the USA's cons?

pedrosorio 4y ago

You seem surprisingly certain that you’d have been worse in the US even though you never moved there in the first place. On one hand, being convinced you made all the right decisions is great for your happiness. On the other hand, as a fellow European who emigrated, and who has faced no issues due “religiosity, lack of safety or pessimism” in the US, I still have no clue if I would have “ended up better” in China or the US.

neoromantique 4y ago

>we all will build this country despite the communists Yeaah, Russians were doing a good job building the country despite their government, but oppressive dictatorships have a way of manifesting themselves in your life, even if you don't manifest in theirs.

argiopetech 4y ago
> Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. -- Pericles

pewpew2020 4y ago

Yes its the amercans doing all they can to fuck it up ... poor CCP with all their homegrown tech and businesses. Why won't they let them be?

Symbiote 4y ago

I see the opposite: European friends who moved to China in the last 15 years leaving, because they can no longer implicitly support an increasingly authoritarian regime so close to Russia. Covid, China's response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the way Hong Kong's separate systems were overridden were all factors, plus propaganda-supported anti-European racism for two people I know who lived in "smaller" cities.

t-3 4y ago

Can you give any comment on the experience living and working in China as a foreign national? How open is the country to permanent immigration/what is the process like? What levels of fluency and literacy are required?