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Sorry, but there's so many things wrong with this... - nobody cares about "unemployment" - they care about investing decades of their lives and losing their jo

by asah 4y ago

Sorry, but there's so many things wrong with this... - nobody cares about "unemployment" - they care about investing decades of their lives and losing their jobs and not being able to replace them quickly at the same level of income and quality of life, including a million photographers, models, makeup artists, etc. who are looking at diffusion model results and wondering who'd pay for their work next year, let alone in 10. "employment" is a made up number that could be 100Ms prospering and optimistic about the future, or 100Ms terrified of the future and millions giving up and disappearing from the employment stats: https://www.google.com/search?q=working+age+men+employment https://www.google.com/search?q=working+age+men+employment - nobody cares about average prices by category - they care about what they pay for the goods they buy, and the baskets of goods used for these surveys are comically different from what actual consumers experience. Notably, the "TV" from 20 years ago is not the same "TV" as today, let alone cellphones or even healthcare. Also, healthcare has seen continuous improvement e.g. cancer therapies, while the TV innovations that consumers care about have sometimes zoomed forward (thin displays, larger displays, 4K, HDR) and failed to take hold (3D, long-throw projectors). - MA is not an expert on employment and neither am I, but I'm not prognosticating.

ChatGTP 4y ago
Just a side note, I honestly think models, photography people and markup artists will still exist. People will still make clothes, whether that's AI assisted or not, and people are going to want to take real photos of the clothes, with models wearing them. No not in all cases, but as long as there are people there will be some demand for this. Same goes for fashion shows, they will still exist too. People will continue to like celebrities, follow their lives and hope they can be like them or meet them. Maybe what people are forgetting is that people do actually like doing things with other people, whether that's taking photos of them, looking at photos of them, or watching them walk down a cat walk. There is a reason why we haven't already completely replaced models (for photography) with wax dolls, mannequins etc. Sure they'd be cheaper, but there other drawbacks too. Even using some of the latest AI technology, it's still not really easy to get what you want in the same way working with a good model is, then there is also sometimes the creativity that a model can inject into a photo shoot, which yes yes yes, can be automated, but I'm not sure why we'd bother when you can actually just enjoy working with another person. Like it or not, sex sells, sex with algorithms, doesn't sell...happy to take the down votes for that statement but there is something in it. Ever wonder why young people listen to a lot of (IMO) crap music? It's because many young people are attracted to the musicians and that attracts other young people which attracts more young people. It's also why AI won't replace bands. It's not just about the quality of music, it's about being part of a tribe and sharing that experience with other like minded people. While I know AI will replace some areas of our lives, I think people do forget that it's not always about the quality and quantity of something. Making perfect music, a song no one has ever heard before every time, is going to be less attractive to many people than a band your girlfriend really likes and you both like going to see live together. Handmade goods are another example of this, whether or not it matters, people definitely enjoy using handmade tools, knives, skis, surfboards etc. People will actually go out of their way and pay more money to support people doing these things.
- staunton 4y ago
  > Handmade goods are another example of this The market ahare of handmade goods is going down. They are forming a parallel luxury sector with better quality in some items and equal or worse in others at significantly higher price. The analogy for music would be a lot of bands who don't write their own music and can't sing or play their instruments (assuming they even have instruments), relying on technology or other people for these things. In essence, an existing trend exacerbated.
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm not talking about luxury brands, I'm talking about the fact that regular people enjoy buying handmade niche products that are made by other people. Anyway I know people who work in fashion, pretty much all luxury brands are good made by hand, you just don't know it because it's happening in slave labor, sweat shops and the like. The analogy for music would be a lot of bands who don't write their own music and can't sing or play their instruments (assuming they even have instruments), relying on technology or other people for these things. In essence, an existing trend exacerbated. I know you said it's exacerbated, but his has been the case for the last 100 years, Elvis had song writers, all the K-Pop and J-pop is already this, it's generated or music written by third-parties. We might end up with MOAR MUSIC!, but I don't know, who cares? Anyway, generated music is besides the point, for something like AI music to be useful, needs a market. There is already a market for music generated by computers and AI. There has been for a long time. I'm talking about live music, young people going to see people play music, rap, do performance art etc. This is what young people like to do, they're social animals. It's also what makes old people often follow suit, because it's popular with younger people. I was just walking through my neighborhood ten minutes ago and there was a guy DJing and a bunch of young people hanging out in a bar listening, that guy could easily be replaced already with a spotify playlist, but why isn't he? I'd argue there are better mixes and playlists already in existence, but "optimization" isn't necessarily what life is about, I think it's hard for computer people to understand this. Before there was a music industry, there was people singing and dancing around campfires, that spirit is not going away so long as there are people. That's what music is really about, "the industry" on top of it is a bit of fun, but we can live with or without it.

by asah 4y ago

ChatGTP 4y ago

Just a side note, I honestly think models, photography people and markup artists will still exist. People will still make clothes, whether that's AI assisted or not, and people are going to want to take real photos of the clothes, with models wearing them. No not in all cases, but as long as there are people there will be some demand for this. Same goes for fashion shows, they will still exist too. People will continue to like celebrities, follow their lives and hope they can be like them or meet them. Maybe what people are forgetting is that people do actually like doing things with other people, whether that's taking photos of them, looking at photos of them, or watching them walk down a cat walk. There is a reason why we haven't already completely replaced models (for photography) with wax dolls, mannequins etc. Sure they'd be cheaper, but there other drawbacks too. Even using some of the latest AI technology, it's still not really easy to get what you want in the same way working with a good model is, then there is also sometimes the creativity that a model can inject into a photo shoot, which yes yes yes, can be automated, but I'm not sure why we'd bother when you can actually just enjoy working with another person. Like it or not, sex sells, sex with algorithms, doesn't sell...happy to take the down votes for that statement but there is something in it. Ever wonder why young people listen to a lot of (IMO) crap music? It's because many young people are attracted to the musicians and that attracts other young people which attracts more young people. It's also why AI won't replace bands. It's not just about the quality of music, it's about being part of a tribe and sharing that experience with other like minded people. While I know AI will replace some areas of our lives, I think people do forget that it's not always about the quality and quantity of something. Making perfect music, a song no one has ever heard before every time, is going to be less attractive to many people than a band your girlfriend really likes and you both like going to see live together. Handmade goods are another example of this, whether or not it matters, people definitely enjoy using handmade tools, knives, skis, surfboards etc. People will actually go out of their way and pay more money to support people doing these things.

staunton 4y ago
> Handmade goods are another example of this The market ahare of handmade goods is going down. They are forming a parallel luxury sector with better quality in some items and equal or worse in others at significantly higher price. The analogy for music would be a lot of bands who don't write their own music and can't sing or play their instruments (assuming they even have instruments), relying on technology or other people for these things. In essence, an existing trend exacerbated.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm not talking about luxury brands, I'm talking about the fact that regular people enjoy buying handmade niche products that are made by other people. Anyway I know people who work in fashion, pretty much all luxury brands are good made by hand, you just don't know it because it's happening in slave labor, sweat shops and the like. The analogy for music would be a lot of bands who don't write their own music and can't sing or play their instruments (assuming they even have instruments), relying on technology or other people for these things. In essence, an existing trend exacerbated. I know you said it's exacerbated, but his has been the case for the last 100 years, Elvis had song writers, all the K-Pop and J-pop is already this, it's generated or music written by third-parties. We might end up with MOAR MUSIC!, but I don't know, who cares? Anyway, generated music is besides the point, for something like AI music to be useful, needs a market. There is already a market for music generated by computers and AI. There has been for a long time. I'm talking about live music, young people going to see people play music, rap, do performance art etc. This is what young people like to do, they're social animals. It's also what makes old people often follow suit, because it's popular with younger people. I was just walking through my neighborhood ten minutes ago and there was a guy DJing and a bunch of young people hanging out in a bar listening, that guy could easily be replaced already with a spotify playlist, but why isn't he? I'd argue there are better mixes and playlists already in existence, but "optimization" isn't necessarily what life is about, I think it's hard for computer people to understand this. Before there was a music industry, there was people singing and dancing around campfires, that spirit is not going away so long as there are people. That's what music is really about, "the industry" on top of it is a bit of fun, but we can live with or without it.