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Here's the thing, if the right actually was honest, they would be supportive of social transitioning, because that is how a kid can figure out their transness.

Here's the thing, if the right actually was honest, they would be supportive of social transitioning, because that is how a kid can figure out their transness. Maybe for some kids, it's an experiment and they're really cis, but for many (because honestly, socially transitioning is not exactly easy in many places), it is a life saving first step in understanding themselves and establishing evidence for medical professionals to warrant medical transitioning at some point. However, the right is also banning social transitioning. They are not interested in letting kids figure themselves out. They are determined to eliminate trans people. See the recent CPAC quote from Michael Knowles. This is a conference participant calling for the elimination of transgender people. Trans people are not a hypothetical for cis people to discuss. We exist and have existed throughout history. Many cultures have ways of recognizing multiple genders. The idea that we should be eliminated should be horrifying on its own terms, never mind, that historically people do not stop with the elimination of one group. Eventually they come for others.

locustous 4y ago
> Here's the thing, if the right actually was honest, they would be supportive of social transitioning, because that is how a kid can figure out their transness. Local story... Boy who claims to be female and goes into the girls locker room to watch them change. He doesn't actually change or participate. Just a spectator. The girls try to hide from him. It's pretty clear by the details that he's a peeping tom just there to ogle the girls. One of the girls speaks up about how uncomfortable he has made life and many girls no longer want to change their clothes for gym, even asking for private spaces but this girl is ostracized and vilified by the local media for not being supportive. It's pretty amazing how we went from being so protective of these spaces. Particularly from sexual predators. To one where we openly allow predatory behavior and tell the reporter of the incident that she is the bad one. Deny them privacy and security. Numerous reports of trans males dominating girls sports, and from information that is the primary reason for the 'change'. All these stories of particularly men going trans for transparently selfish reasons of advantage do not help the cause among people who really care about their daughters well being.
- locopati 4y ago
  One anecdote that sounds like it should have been handled by the administration of the school much better than it was. Trans males should not be competing in girls sports. They are only doing so because of the right's insistence on unchangeable biological sex. As to the "primary reason for the change"... you're going to have to provide evidence because that's doubtful. People act like social transitioning is a walk in the park... it's not. People aren't doing it for the incredible benefits of being trans, believe me. You sound like you have an axe to grind and maybe need to do more research and less believing the falsehoods about trans people.
- fzeroracer 4y ago
  It's interesting that you choose to make up a story without any anecdotes of someone claiming to be trans to harass women, versus the states and districts passing 'gender inspection' bills legalizing harassment by people that have no right to know/care. Or the known incidents [1] of men following cisgender women into the bathroom thinking they're trans or openly harassing them. [1] https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-haras...
- sundaeofshock 4y ago
  Do you have a source for this? Otherwise I’m calling bullshit. This is dangerous, eliminationist, anti-trans rhetoric that should not be tolerated on HN (or any other forum).
  - locustous 4y ago
    Because a male could never actually pretend to be trans for selfish reasons? Instead of a mutually beneficial compromise like give everyone private individual dressing spaces and listening to potential victims of trans abuse in gendered spaces. You go full offensive mode on me for even suggesting the possibility. It seems that you don't want political allies, but rather political subjects... If you're actually open to seeing the issue there are plenty of stories you can search up on this topic. What I mention is hardly unique, I see them with some frequency. Ignoring these concerns will just cement the political divide and harden political opponents who want to protect female gendered spaces and youth from predators.

locustous 4y ago

> Here's the thing, if the right actually was honest, they would be supportive of social transitioning, because that is how a kid can figure out their transness. Local story... Boy who claims to be female and goes into the girls locker room to watch them change. He doesn't actually change or participate. Just a spectator. The girls try to hide from him. It's pretty clear by the details that he's a peeping tom just there to ogle the girls. One of the girls speaks up about how uncomfortable he has made life and many girls no longer want to change their clothes for gym, even asking for private spaces but this girl is ostracized and vilified by the local media for not being supportive. It's pretty amazing how we went from being so protective of these spaces. Particularly from sexual predators. To one where we openly allow predatory behavior and tell the reporter of the incident that she is the bad one. Deny them privacy and security. Numerous reports of trans males dominating girls sports, and from information that is the primary reason for the 'change'. All these stories of particularly men going trans for transparently selfish reasons of advantage do not help the cause among people who really care about their daughters well being.

locopati 4y ago
One anecdote that sounds like it should have been handled by the administration of the school much better than it was. Trans males should not be competing in girls sports. They are only doing so because of the right's insistence on unchangeable biological sex. As to the "primary reason for the change"... you're going to have to provide evidence because that's doubtful. People act like social transitioning is a walk in the park... it's not. People aren't doing it for the incredible benefits of being trans, believe me. You sound like you have an axe to grind and maybe need to do more research and less believing the falsehoods about trans people.
fzeroracer 4y ago
It's interesting that you choose to make up a story without any anecdotes of someone claiming to be trans to harass women, versus the states and districts passing 'gender inspection' bills legalizing harassment by people that have no right to know/care. Or the known incidents [1] of men following cisgender women into the bathroom thinking they're trans or openly harassing them. [1] https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-haras...
sundaeofshock 4y ago
Do you have a source for this? Otherwise I’m calling bullshit. This is dangerous, eliminationist, anti-trans rhetoric that should not be tolerated on HN (or any other forum).
- locustous 4y ago
  Because a male could never actually pretend to be trans for selfish reasons? Instead of a mutually beneficial compromise like give everyone private individual dressing spaces and listening to potential victims of trans abuse in gendered spaces. You go full offensive mode on me for even suggesting the possibility. It seems that you don't want political allies, but rather political subjects... If you're actually open to seeing the issue there are plenty of stories you can search up on this topic. What I mention is hardly unique, I see them with some frequency. Ignoring these concerns will just cement the political divide and harden political opponents who want to protect female gendered spaces and youth from predators.