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Also the reason China will likely out compete the West at some point. They simply don't care so long as you don't criticize the The Party or make China look bad

Also the reason China will likely out compete the West at some point. They simply don't care so long as you don't criticize the The Party or make China look bad.

kibwen 4y ago
No, systems that disallow criticism of people in positions of authority do not outcompete systems that allow such criticism. If truthful criticism is disallowed, then it will be substituted with falsified praise, a.k.a. lies, and an authority that is divorced from reality is no better at making decisions than a flipped coin. Frankly, it's a little baffling that you think that "political correctness" (which I guess in this case means "making robots act like robots, rather than making robots act like 18 year-old women"?) is somehow more damning to a society than brutal authoritarian repression of dissent.
- voidfunc 4y ago
  Let's be real, you already can't criticize anything truthfully in the west either. You either have to tone it down to make it politically correct or not say it in the first place for fear of repercussions or reprisal on several levels. The west is every bit as authoritarian as China but the rules are considerably less clear and it's a lot murkier. It's better to be strictly clear about what is forbidden than to guess about which rules can and cannot be bent or to have to guess about the "unwritten rules" that really guide everything we do.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > The west is every bit as authoritarian as China but the rules are considerably less clear and it's a lot murkier. Can’t believe anyone writing this seriously with a straight face.
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  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    I can incredibly easily listen to the views of deranged people who are actually Neo-Nazi's and Tankie Stalin loving leftists without too much trouble. Independent media has never been bigger and more influential. Social media remains largely out of government control and loosely controlled in general despite much whinging over this by would-be autocrats. These are not things true to the same degree in China where they actually have a degree of centralised control over the media and snitch culture.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    Are people here in the West being disappeared or experiencing severe repercussions for criticising the government?
  - KyeRussell 4y ago
    I live in a Western culture country and truthfully criticise stuff all the time. Be honest with us here. What ‘dissenting’ opinion about a hot-button topic do you hold? Because it really feels like you’re talking about some people calling your opinions stupid online, but you’re generalising / exaggerating it to the point where you’ve deluded yourself into thinking that it’s equal to censorship enacted by an authoritarian government that has a habit of disappearing people. The mere fact you’ve written this in the first place, and the fact that you can write it at all, both proves you wrong and is a fantastic illustration of how deep inside the weird libertarian tech bro bubble you are. Get some perspective.
faeriechangling 4y ago
China very recently screwed up their entire country because The Party was too arrogant to admit they screwed up on COVID policy because they talked mad shit about how much of a better job they were doing compared to the west, and maybe they were, but their approach simply didn't work post-Omicron but they couldn't admit it. COVID itself may have been far more controlled in the first place if doctors talking about it in its early days weren't censored by the party. I would credit China's rise to the industriousness of Chinese people more than crediting everything to the ruling regime. I also don't see them surpassing the west anytime soon because there is an impending demographic collapse even more severe that is in the west - and without the same immigration culture.

Also the reason China will likely out compete the West at some point. They simply don't care so long as you don't criticize the The Party or make China look bad.

kibwen 4y ago

No, systems that disallow criticism of people in positions of authority do not outcompete systems that allow such criticism. If truthful criticism is disallowed, then it will be substituted with falsified praise, a.k.a. lies, and an authority that is divorced from reality is no better at making decisions than a flipped coin. Frankly, it's a little baffling that you think that "political correctness" (which I guess in this case means "making robots act like robots, rather than making robots act like 18 year-old women"?) is somehow more damning to a society than brutal authoritarian repression of dissent.

voidfunc 4y ago
Let's be real, you already can't criticize anything truthfully in the west either. You either have to tone it down to make it politically correct or not say it in the first place for fear of repercussions or reprisal on several levels. The west is every bit as authoritarian as China but the rules are considerably less clear and it's a lot murkier. It's better to be strictly clear about what is forbidden than to guess about which rules can and cannot be bent or to have to guess about the "unwritten rules" that really guide everything we do.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > The west is every bit as authoritarian as China but the rules are considerably less clear and it's a lot murkier. Can’t believe anyone writing this seriously with a straight face.
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- faeriechangling 4y ago
  I can incredibly easily listen to the views of deranged people who are actually Neo-Nazi's and Tankie Stalin loving leftists without too much trouble. Independent media has never been bigger and more influential. Social media remains largely out of government control and loosely controlled in general despite much whinging over this by would-be autocrats. These are not things true to the same degree in China where they actually have a degree of centralised control over the media and snitch culture.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Are people here in the West being disappeared or experiencing severe repercussions for criticising the government?
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  I live in a Western culture country and truthfully criticise stuff all the time. Be honest with us here. What ‘dissenting’ opinion about a hot-button topic do you hold? Because it really feels like you’re talking about some people calling your opinions stupid online, but you’re generalising / exaggerating it to the point where you’ve deluded yourself into thinking that it’s equal to censorship enacted by an authoritarian government that has a habit of disappearing people. The mere fact you’ve written this in the first place, and the fact that you can write it at all, both proves you wrong and is a fantastic illustration of how deep inside the weird libertarian tech bro bubble you are. Get some perspective.

faeriechangling 4y ago

China very recently screwed up their entire country because The Party was too arrogant to admit they screwed up on COVID policy because they talked mad shit about how much of a better job they were doing compared to the west, and maybe they were, but their approach simply didn't work post-Omicron but they couldn't admit it. COVID itself may have been far more controlled in the first place if doctors talking about it in its early days weren't censored by the party. I would credit China's rise to the industriousness of Chinese people more than crediting everything to the ruling regime. I also don't see them surpassing the west anytime soon because there is an impending demographic collapse even more severe that is in the west - and without the same immigration culture.