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I would say this actually IS a politics problem, just not the simple "right vs left" issue that everyone assumes "politics" means these days. "What to do about

I would say this actually IS a politics problem, just not the simple "right vs left" issue that everyone assumes "politics" means these days. "What to do about late-stage capitalism?" is actually an explicitly political question.

scruple 4y ago
Well, the problem there is, IMO, no one with any power in politics on the left or the right has any sort of vision for what comes next.
- myko 4y ago
  Power is collective, no one can unilaterally fix issues like this but many have campaigned and attempted to enact positive environmental policy (and that unfortunately _does_ tend to be right vs left)
- morpheos137 4y ago
  Mainly because too many intelligent people go into private business because it is so lucrative. Ultimately we need to decide how we want to run our country. Do we want to be run by mega corporations manufacturing consent through the media with vapid bimbo politicians providing a rubber stamp or do we want to take back the power for the masses of private citizens and elect effective politicians who will answer to voters who want not to be dependent on the will of megacorps for their every need.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> "What to do about late-stage capitalism?" is actually an explicitly political question. Its also an explicitly political (in the “ideologically partisan” not merely “concerning government”) framing of the question, that makes ideologically-based assumptions about reality, the current situation, and the answer to the question. (If the answer was something within the scope of “capitalism”, the thing being addressed would not be “late-stage capitalism”.) Heck, even the presumption that the thing described is something that calls for something to be done about it is ideological.
- DanHulton 4y ago
  Not sure why you're getting downvoted, you're correct. I'm unabashedly on the "we must do something about late-stage capitalism, a thing that exists" political team, but you're absolutely not wrong that this is a political viewpoint, explicitly.
roughly 4y ago
Yes, I agree with that, and that's a bit of what I'm trying to point out - discussions of "politics" in situations like this tend to devolve to regulatory capture and the relative merits of Team Blue or Team Red, but the core problem is that there's basically one political philosophy in this country and it's got nothing whatsoever to say about one's actual moral responsibility to society, except maybe to argue the premise of the question.
Bloating 4y ago
"Left vs right" is just "Bread & Circuses"... well, maybe not bread

scruple 4y ago

Well, the problem there is, IMO, no one with any power in politics on the left or the right has any sort of vision for what comes next.

myko 4y ago
Power is collective, no one can unilaterally fix issues like this but many have campaigned and attempted to enact positive environmental policy (and that unfortunately _does_ tend to be right vs left)
morpheos137 4y ago
Mainly because too many intelligent people go into private business because it is so lucrative. Ultimately we need to decide how we want to run our country. Do we want to be run by mega corporations manufacturing consent through the media with vapid bimbo politicians providing a rubber stamp or do we want to take back the power for the masses of private citizens and elect effective politicians who will answer to voters who want not to be dependent on the will of megacorps for their every need.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> "What to do about late-stage capitalism?" is actually an explicitly political question. Its also an explicitly political (in the “ideologically partisan” not merely “concerning government”) framing of the question, that makes ideologically-based assumptions about reality, the current situation, and the answer to the question. (If the answer was something within the scope of “capitalism”, the thing being addressed would not be “late-stage capitalism”.) Heck, even the presumption that the thing described is something that calls for something to be done about it is ideological.

DanHulton 4y ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, you're correct. I'm unabashedly on the "we must do something about late-stage capitalism, a thing that exists" political team, but you're absolutely not wrong that this is a political viewpoint, explicitly.

roughly 4y ago

Yes, I agree with that, and that's a bit of what I'm trying to point out - discussions of "politics" in situations like this tend to devolve to regulatory capture and the relative merits of Team Blue or Team Red, but the core problem is that there's basically one political philosophy in this country and it's got nothing whatsoever to say about one's actual moral responsibility to society, except maybe to argue the premise of the question.

Bloating 4y ago

"Left vs right" is just "Bread & Circuses"... well, maybe not bread