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If you would like a dollop of confidence for this situation know that competent people are taking care of it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m6DJwGPQJVU https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m6DJwGPQJVU

ericpauley 4y ago
Maybe it’s just packet loss from a live recording, but this video just reeks of deep fake.
- recuter 4y ago
  Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. The secretary of transportation really did initially respond to this incident, that was getting "a lot of attention" with, exact quote: "Look, rail safety is something that has evolved a lot over the years, but there's clearly more that needs to be done because while this horrible situation has gotten a particularly high amount of attention, there are roughly 1,000 cases a year of a train derailing," Look it up from any source that pleases you, this is an unedited clip. I searched for "pete buttigieg ohio train" on youtube and that was the top result. I recall seeing it about a week ago and somewhat not being able to believe it myself at the time. Alas. I hope calling "deep fake" on things that are a bummer won't become a thing.
  - buu700 4y ago
    They aren't calling into question the clip's credibility; they're saying its potato-quality audio literally sounds like a deep fake.
    - recuter 4y ago
      Is that what he was saying? How do you know btw? I read it differently, my mistake. - This isn't happening - It isn't a big deal it happens all the time - He probably didn't say that it isn't a big deal that happens all the time, it reeks of a deep fake - He didn't say it is a deep fake, just that it reeks like one, but isn't
      - buu700 4y ago
        Well technically only they know for sure what they meant, but I had the same reaction to the video that (I assume) they did, and they went out of their way to offer a plausible explanation for the audio distortions (packet loss). There's also no apparent reason to doubt its authenticity, given that Yahoo Finance is a reasonably credible source and the content wasn't particularly outrageous.
        recuter 4y ago
        - This isn't a big deal - The only outrageous thing about that video are the audio distortions which were probably not caused by a deep fake, as we helpfully explained to you Thanks for clearing it up! My bad.
    - dannyphantom 4y ago
      I think we're just so used to higher-quality audio/video from the last decade in particular; I recently pulled some videos off of my old LG Env2 from high school [to archive the Fall Out Boy/All Time Low concert at The Rave (2010-ish)] that are hilariously poor quality - but it was the best we had at the time haha.
    - ericpauley 4y ago
      Exactly this. All I am saying is that the video has the feel of being a deep fake. Too late to edit and clarify.
      - recuter 4y ago
        Your comment has the feeling of a deep fake.
  - vuln 4y ago
    The only response I see there is hand waving the issue. Instead of talking about how this derailment is different from the other 999 that happen a year. A large percentage of derailments happen in train yards, in a controlled situation / enviroment. Pete just hand waves the issue because the people affected didn't vote for the _right_ people.
    - recuter 4y ago
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      - vuln 4y ago
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        recuter 4y ago
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        vorpalhex 4y ago
        > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        recuter 4y ago
        Ah yes, accusing me of the very thing I am complaining about. chefs kiss In case it isn't clear; I do not care one iota about the personal life or political affiliation of the secretary of transportation. Just competency. Try and muster up some of that curiosity and note that upon pointing out that there seems to be none on display I get gaslit to infinity that the clip is fake and none of this is a big deal anyway. And maybe take pause and thank your lucky stars you and your loved ones don't live in Ohio.
        4y ago
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > I hope calling "deep fake" on things that are a bummer won't become a thing. It absolutely will. The technology is already powerful enough that Joe Random is able to deep-fake realistic porn, ChatGPT can write realistic sounding speeches (I personally tried "Barack Obama glorifying cannabis"), and iirc there's also an AI that can do speech synthesis for people where there is a good enough corpus of text and speech. Given that this is the state of publicly available tooling, you can bet that at least Western secret services have had access to way more refined tech for years, not to mention the required training data.
    - recuter 4y ago
      Yeah, but we know all that. In this case it was easily verifiable from multiple mainstream sources -- if instead of making that minor effort it becomes fashionable to just say "deep fake" about everything that we don't like (say a former and future presidential candidate for the democratic party looking like a complete political hack) facetiously we are doomed as a species I think.
      - mschuster91 4y ago
        For recent videos yes, it's easy-ish to verify their authenticity... but for material claimed to be older, particularly when combined with a SEO spam campaign? Additionally, more and more people don't trust mass media in general which just makes the problem worse. There is nothing left any more that serves as a trustable institution for them.
thepasswordis 4y ago
>Hey guys, don't worry, we got ourselves a McKinsey consultant on the job! Well...not on the job per se, since he's got more important stuff to do, but like...he's gonna give some interviews as he begins his 2024 presidential campaign. Incredible. The elegance of the fact that we've got a literal management consultant in charge of this stuff should not be lost on anyone.
- funstuff007 4y ago
  His spreadsheets goal seek on increasing the number of invites to French Laundry.

If you would like a dollop of confidence for this situation know that competent people are taking care of it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m6DJwGPQJVU https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m6DJwGPQJVU

ericpauley 4y ago

Maybe it’s just packet loss from a live recording, but this video just reeks of deep fake.

recuter 4y ago
Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. The secretary of transportation really did initially respond to this incident, that was getting "a lot of attention" with, exact quote: "Look, rail safety is something that has evolved a lot over the years, but there's clearly more that needs to be done because while this horrible situation has gotten a particularly high amount of attention, there are roughly 1,000 cases a year of a train derailing," Look it up from any source that pleases you, this is an unedited clip. I searched for "pete buttigieg ohio train" on youtube and that was the top result. I recall seeing it about a week ago and somewhat not being able to believe it myself at the time. Alas. I hope calling "deep fake" on things that are a bummer won't become a thing.
- buu700 4y ago
  They aren't calling into question the clip's credibility; they're saying its potato-quality audio literally sounds like a deep fake.
  - recuter 4y ago
    Is that what he was saying? How do you know btw? I read it differently, my mistake. - This isn't happening - It isn't a big deal it happens all the time - He probably didn't say that it isn't a big deal that happens all the time, it reeks of a deep fake - He didn't say it is a deep fake, just that it reeks like one, but isn't
    - buu700 4y ago
      Well technically only they know for sure what they meant, but I had the same reaction to the video that (I assume) they did, and they went out of their way to offer a plausible explanation for the audio distortions (packet loss). There's also no apparent reason to doubt its authenticity, given that Yahoo Finance is a reasonably credible source and the content wasn't particularly outrageous.
      - recuter 4y ago
        - This isn't a big deal - The only outrageous thing about that video are the audio distortions which were probably not caused by a deep fake, as we helpfully explained to you Thanks for clearing it up! My bad.
  - dannyphantom 4y ago
    I think we're just so used to higher-quality audio/video from the last decade in particular; I recently pulled some videos off of my old LG Env2 from high school [to archive the Fall Out Boy/All Time Low concert at The Rave (2010-ish)] that are hilariously poor quality - but it was the best we had at the time haha.
  - ericpauley 4y ago
    Exactly this. All I am saying is that the video has the feel of being a deep fake. Too late to edit and clarify.
    - recuter 4y ago
      Your comment has the feeling of a deep fake.
- vuln 4y ago
  The only response I see there is hand waving the issue. Instead of talking about how this derailment is different from the other 999 that happen a year. A large percentage of derailments happen in train yards, in a controlled situation / enviroment. Pete just hand waves the issue because the people affected didn't vote for the _right_ people.
  - recuter 4y ago
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    - vuln 4y ago
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      - recuter 4y ago
        [flagged]
        vorpalhex 4y ago
        > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        recuter 4y ago
        Ah yes, accusing me of the very thing I am complaining about. chefs kiss In case it isn't clear; I do not care one iota about the personal life or political affiliation of the secretary of transportation. Just competency. Try and muster up some of that curiosity and note that upon pointing out that there seems to be none on display I get gaslit to infinity that the clip is fake and none of this is a big deal anyway. And maybe take pause and thank your lucky stars you and your loved ones don't live in Ohio.
        4y ago
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > I hope calling "deep fake" on things that are a bummer won't become a thing. It absolutely will. The technology is already powerful enough that Joe Random is able to deep-fake realistic porn, ChatGPT can write realistic sounding speeches (I personally tried "Barack Obama glorifying cannabis"), and iirc there's also an AI that can do speech synthesis for people where there is a good enough corpus of text and speech. Given that this is the state of publicly available tooling, you can bet that at least Western secret services have had access to way more refined tech for years, not to mention the required training data.
  - recuter 4y ago
    Yeah, but we know all that. In this case it was easily verifiable from multiple mainstream sources -- if instead of making that minor effort it becomes fashionable to just say "deep fake" about everything that we don't like (say a former and future presidential candidate for the democratic party looking like a complete political hack) facetiously we are doomed as a species I think.
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      For recent videos yes, it's easy-ish to verify their authenticity... but for material claimed to be older, particularly when combined with a SEO spam campaign? Additionally, more and more people don't trust mass media in general which just makes the problem worse. There is nothing left any more that serves as a trustable institution for them.

thepasswordis 4y ago

>Hey guys, don't worry, we got ourselves a McKinsey consultant on the job! Well...not on the job per se, since he's got more important stuff to do, but like...he's gonna give some interviews as he begins his 2024 presidential campaign. Incredible. The elegance of the fact that we've got a literal management consultant in charge of this stuff should not be lost on anyone.

funstuff007 4y ago
His spreadsheets goal seek on increasing the number of invites to French Laundry.