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Which countries in the world do not recognize the current government of Ukraine and all preceding governments since 2014 as the legitimate governments of Ukrain

by mopsi 4y ago

Which countries in the world do not recognize the current government of Ukraine and all preceding governments since 2014 as the legitimate governments of Ukraine? Which countries recognize the independence of Luhansk and Donetsk? If both answers are "Russia, Syria and North Korea", then I'd re-evaluate my views if I were you. The unprecedented international isolation of Russia and the total lack of support for its narratives speaks for itself.[1][2] Even Taliban voted against Russia, and I don't think anyone could argue that they have much sympathy towards "CIA-backed Western interventionism". [1] https://gdb.voanews.com/01bd0000-0aff-0242-c65b-08d9fd1b1991_w1597_n_r1_st_s.png https://gdb.voanews.com/01bd0000-0aff-0242-c65b-08d9fd1b1991... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_ES-11/1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...

yucky 4y ago
> Which countries recognize the independence of Luhansk and Donetsk? Which countries recognize Kosovo, and now tell me how that's different? Hint: because we said so. And that's it. Also, I love how you claimed nothing has changed in the last 20 years and then didn't refute a single thing I said showing how wrong you are, because you can't. We were behind a coup on their border and we pretend to be surprised that the Russkis didn't like it? lol k
- mopsi 4y ago
  There is nothing to refute. Kosovo is recognized by 101 UN members (out of 193). The narrative you described is a fiction that nobody in the world shares, not even Belarus is fully behind it (doesn't recognize LNR and DNR).
  - yucky 4y ago
    > There is nothing to refute. Well no, it's a fact that we were behind the coup. The question is why wouldn't you think it's obvious that Russia would have a problem with that? It's also a fact that Kiev cutoff the water supply to Crimea. The question is, why wouldn't you think it's obvious that Russia would have a problem with that? So knowing this, how can you say the response from Russia was "totally unprovoked" when we did everything we could to provoke it? Also, the only difference between Kosovo being recognized by more countries is because the US wants it that way, and we get our way in the UN with most countries. But Kosovo doesn't deserve independence any more than the people of the Donbas, do they?
    - mopsi 4y ago
      > Well no, it's a fact that we were behind the coup. There was no coup and no-one recognizes it as such. > It's also a fact that Kiev cutoff the water supply to Crimea. The question is, why wouldn't you think it's obvious that Russia would have a problem with that? Don't invade other countries and you won't have to deal with such issues. > the only difference between Kosovo being recognized by more countries is because the US wants it that way The US is not all-powerful and has a long history of initiatives that have failed to gain traction despite best efforts to build support. But never before has Russia been in such international isolation. No-one besides Syria and North Korea find their narrative convincing. Why no-one supports Russia, not even countries that are usually sympathetic?
      - yucky 4y ago
        > There was no coup and no-one recognizes it as such. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/ https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-m... https://archive.is/ysr3B https://archive.is/ysr3B https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-ukraine-fiasco-the-us-is-reaping-exactly-what-it-sowed/ https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-uk... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/02/01/azov-f01.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/02/01/azov-f01.html https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia... https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-benjamin-davies-220201/ https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-b... ..and on and on. Also, we have a long history of these shenanigans in Ukraine going back decades, see - https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-operation-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-ope... > Don't invade other countries and you won't have to deal with such issues. Crimeans voted to be annexed to Russia. Are we not supporting their right to self-determination? Let me guess, this is different? Also, when you talk about not invading other countries do you not realize the irony of that when we have invaded more countries in the last 50 years than the rest of the world combined?

by mopsi 4y ago

yucky 4y ago

> Which countries recognize the independence of Luhansk and Donetsk? Which countries recognize Kosovo, and now tell me how that's different? Hint: because we said so. And that's it. Also, I love how you claimed nothing has changed in the last 20 years and then didn't refute a single thing I said showing how wrong you are, because you can't. We were behind a coup on their border and we pretend to be surprised that the Russkis didn't like it? lol k

mopsi 4y ago
There is nothing to refute. Kosovo is recognized by 101 UN members (out of 193). The narrative you described is a fiction that nobody in the world shares, not even Belarus is fully behind it (doesn't recognize LNR and DNR).
- yucky 4y ago
  > There is nothing to refute. Well no, it's a fact that we were behind the coup. The question is why wouldn't you think it's obvious that Russia would have a problem with that? It's also a fact that Kiev cutoff the water supply to Crimea. The question is, why wouldn't you think it's obvious that Russia would have a problem with that? So knowing this, how can you say the response from Russia was "totally unprovoked" when we did everything we could to provoke it? Also, the only difference between Kosovo being recognized by more countries is because the US wants it that way, and we get our way in the UN with most countries. But Kosovo doesn't deserve independence any more than the people of the Donbas, do they?
  - mopsi 4y ago
    > Well no, it's a fact that we were behind the coup. There was no coup and no-one recognizes it as such. > It's also a fact that Kiev cutoff the water supply to Crimea. The question is, why wouldn't you think it's obvious that Russia would have a problem with that? Don't invade other countries and you won't have to deal with such issues. > the only difference between Kosovo being recognized by more countries is because the US wants it that way The US is not all-powerful and has a long history of initiatives that have failed to gain traction despite best efforts to build support. But never before has Russia been in such international isolation. No-one besides Syria and North Korea find their narrative convincing. Why no-one supports Russia, not even countries that are usually sympathetic?
    - yucky 4y ago
      > There was no coup and no-one recognizes it as such. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/ https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-m... https://archive.is/ysr3B https://archive.is/ysr3B https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-ukraine-fiasco-the-us-is-reaping-exactly-what-it-sowed/ https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-uk... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/02/01/azov-f01.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/02/01/azov-f01.html https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia... https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-benjamin-davies-220201/ https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-b... ..and on and on. Also, we have a long history of these shenanigans in Ukraine going back decades, see - https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-operation-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-ope... > Don't invade other countries and you won't have to deal with such issues. Crimeans voted to be annexed to Russia. Are we not supporting their right to self-determination? Let me guess, this is different? Also, when you talk about not invading other countries do you not realize the irony of that when we have invaded more countries in the last 50 years than the rest of the world combined?