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I do wonder if tech companies are opening the door to competitors with this neutering of LLMs. Assuming that we have a free market, I assume this will come dow
by GreedClarifies 4y ago
I do wonder if tech companies are opening the door to competitors with this neutering of LLMs.
Assuming that we have a free market, I assume this will come down to what consumers want.
My guess is that people want “her” and they want “her” to have a personality, but they will want it to be compliant.
- greatpostman 4y agoYeah I think there’s huge economic incentive to providing a raw unfiltered LLM. The market will provide it eventually
- jl6 4y agoOne issue is that I don’t think we know how much it really costs to train and operate an LLM, other than “a lot”. When something is really expensive, it needs to have mass appeal to amortize those costs, and with mass appeal comes the need for the kind of anodynity we see, the same way a bigcorp press release will be studiously inoffensive. We will see raw unfiltered LLMs emerge as they become cheaper.
- ChatGTP 4y agoThere's also going to come a point where these products will be regulated. If Microsoft or similar is found responsible for having Sydney generate novel exploits for popular open source software which is then used to hack the Pentagon, for example, it wouldn't end well in court. This product will need some oversight.
- GreedClarifies 4y agoOversight by whom? Who is qualified? Random people in the civil service? It seems far beyond them. Your example is illustrative. Absolutely don’t want the only LLMs capable of finding exploits in the hands of the NSA/some-TLA. I want it in people’s hands so reports can be made and software fixed.
- ChatGTP 4y agoI didn’t say it’s what I want by the way. But if AI models do indeed become as powerful as people say, it’s going to be hard to give cutting edge stuff to a terrorist organisation and rogue states and just be cool with it ? Kind of like everyone getting access to bombs but worst because they’re more discrete, can be used to deceive, influence people etc. Not sure how it’s supposed work in practice really. Definitely interested in hearing other peoples takes on this ? I guess they already have access now. O_o
- wongarsu 4y agoThere would be pay-on-demand unfiltered LLaMA offerings out within the week if not for the "non-commercial" clause in the license. The current free-to-use models like GPT-J just aren't there yet in terms of quality, but that will only hold back the floodgates for so long.
- jameshart 4y ago“Unfiltered” is going to mean “useless”. People don’t want to hire an employee who can be goaded into a fight or tricked into divulging their corporate secrets. People don’t want a friend who occasionally becomes belligerent and spouts 4chan conspiracies. Humans operate with filters - and they choose which filters to operate depending on the situation. What market need does ‘unfiltered’ fill?
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Humans operate with filters - and they choose which filters to operate depending on the situation. > What market need does ‘unfiltered’ fill? It lets the customer select the appropriate degree and kind of filtering for their preference for the particular circumstance, rather than using a canned vendor personality.
- jameshart 4y agoIn the case of Bing use of OpenAI, Microsoft is the customer.
- goatlover 4y agoHard disagree. People using Bing are the customers.
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- flangola7 4y agoMicrosoft paid $10 billion, how much are you paying?
- layer8 4y agoYou're aware how popular the emotionally unstable Bing was in some circles? There's definitely people who want that, at least as one available option.
- neodymiumphish 4y agoYeah, this could be what we thought Cortana would turn into eventually, but that's not likely to happen for a very long time, if ever.
- GreedClarifies 4y agoI don’t understand the “very long time, if ever” comment. It seems like we are close to something that people find useful today. Why such a long time horizon?
- xg15 4y agoI don't think we have a free market (yet). Yes, there are like a million different "AI something" startups, but all of them seem to be calling OpenAI behind the scenes. (At this point, the ecosystem feels a bit like a frontier town next to the site of an UFO crash: Everyone is very busy trading alien artefacts, selling tools, exchanging tricks, building businesses on top of other businesses, etc - even though no one really knows what the artefacts are actually doing or whether or not the UFO might suddenly turn on again.) So if OpenAI or Microsoft decides to change the models or to forbid certain uses then the entire ecosystem is affected. I think it will all become more interesting when there are genuinely different models in use or when it becomes feasible for smaller businesses/projects to build their own models. I think LLaMA, Bard (eventually?) and that chinese model are some promising starts here. Especially with LLaMA's supposed leak.
- rlt 4y agoSam Altman has said OpenAI wants to make the models configurable with minimal restrictions, if desired. I imagine they’ll only do this in the API rather than in the branded frontends like ChatGPT to offload any backlash onto the consumers of the API.
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- deanCommie 4y agoThat's what people thought about competitors to Twitter. Turns out such platforms mostly attract Nazis. Sure, I would love it if there were social media platforms and LLMs free of moderation or censorship, but that's not the world we live in. That's the paradox of intolerance. I know HN and much of the tech industry believes the trade off for free speech is worth it, but that's because they're not the ones who bear the brunt of the consequences. Someone somewhere is feeling the compromises.
- wiseowise 4y ago> Someone somewhere is feeling the compromises. All of us do.
- faeriechangling 4y agoIt already happened with Stable Diffusion vs Dall-E vs Midjourney. It makes me very sceptical how much of a moat these companies actually have when their business models fundamentally kneecap their products and the genesis of tools that make their products better.