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Russia Is Getting Around Sanctions to Secure Supply of Key Chips for War
- toomanyrichies 4y agohttps://archive.ph/bPIrz https://archive.ph/bPIrz
- luckylion 4y agoAnd there's no enforcement mechanism embedded, because ...? Is there really no adversarial thinking in these things? "What could they do to circumvent this?" - "Import it by proxy" - "okay, we should make sure that's banned" Instead, it's "wow, who could've known?!"
- Moldoteck 4y agoMaybe because they know and just want to create an illusion of actions
- quartesixte 4y agoSome mixture of hubris, willful blindness, and ignorance.
- lern_too_spel 4y agoWhy would you think there isn't? https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1241 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1241
- luckylion 4y agoThis article is about European goods being exported to Russia via proxies, Europe isn't part of the US.
- lern_too_spel 4y agoAnd the article explains how the EU does the same thing.
- luckylion 4y agoExcept they don't, which is the problem. They're leaving it to the member states, which vary greatly in enforcement, and so you can get around enforcement in one state by exporting to another state first (which is easy thanks to the low-friction shared market) before exporting to your target proxy country. There's a reason why trade with the Russian proxies has increased by pretty much the amount that direct trade with Russia has decreased: because the enforcement of the sanctions doesn't work correctly and Europe hasn't found a single voice on it, and additionally doesn't want to bring down the hammer on anyone in order to not offend them.
- lern_too_spel 4y agoEnforcement failure doesn't mean it isn't banned as you claimed earlier.
- luckylion 4y agoThat's not what I claimed. I asked why they hadn't included enforcement provisions because it's obvious that people will try to get around it and it's even obvious how they will get around it. Yet here we are, and I still don't know. You offered that the US does some enforcement. So why doesn't the EU? Surely we have the bureaucratic manpower.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago> "What could they do to circumvent this?" - "Import it by proxy" - "okay, we should make sure that's banned" > Instead, it's "wow, who could've known?!" I don't know how to read this any other way. Enforcing sanctions properly is something the EU has struggled with (https://dgap.org/en/research/publications/strict-and-uniform-improving-eu-sanctions-enforcement https://dgap.org/en/research/publications/strict-and-uniform... gives an example of DPRK collecting hostel revenue in Berlin for years with no penalties ever administered), but that is different from saying that "import by proxy" is was unknown and not banned.
- yucky 4y agoI love how we here in the US just assume we have the right to tell Turkey and UAE who they can do business with. As if they don't have their own interests.
- irl_chad 4y agoOkay, hope their interests aren’t in doing business in the US if they want to circumvent US sanctions. We absolutely have the right to draw moral lines in the sand: if you do business with brutal dictatorships, you are the enemy too.
- ghostwriter 4y ago> if you do business with brutal dictatorships, you are the enemy too. Why is the US doing business with Saudi Arabia? Let's see how your moral lines bend around the agenda.
- anonymouslambda 4y agoYeah, but no one likes to get moral lectures from hypocrites. We Americans sure do like self-determination, just not for anyone else.
- bogomipz 4y agoSanction and export controls are used by governments around the world as a means to further their foreign policy and national security interests, not just the US. Further these regulations always govern both the export and re-export of the goods and services being sold. They are useless otherwise. This is playing out right now in the EU with Switzerland and Germany debating allowing armaments to be re-exported to Ukraine.[1] [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/switzerland-rethinks-neutrality-considers-weapon-export-amid-ukraine-russia-war-crisis/ https://www.politico.eu/article/switzerland-rethinks-neutral...
- exabrial 4y agoI don’t know if you guys saw the propaganda video of Russia repairing the bridge, but what ticked me off was the asphalt rollers were brand new, and are made by a subsidiary of John Deere.
- meghan_rain 4y agoLinks?
- colinwilyb 4y agoFirst place I saw it mentioned was through AvE on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsE0G8YQYrc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsE0G8YQYrc No source cited for the video.
- ClapperHeid 4y agoWhen all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
- timcavel 4y ago[dead]
- simonblack 4y agoThat's all very well, but what are they going to do with the rest of the washing machines after they have taken the chips out?