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You don't need it to do so indefinitely. You only need it to pay enough to keep you afloat while you either find another job, or get the previous job to relent,

You don't need it to do so indefinitely. You only need it to pay enough to keep you afloat while you either find another job, or get the previous job to relent, take you back, and agree with you—or downsize your lifestyle. This is, however, why UBI needs to be high enough to actually cover all the basic necessities of life, and not just be something like $500/month.

junofan 4y ago
How long do you think it takes to find a job as a railroad track laborer?
notch898a 4y ago
Exactly, pay enough so that no one has to work. Then we can all buy the goods and services we like without toiling.
gruez 4y ago
>This is, however, why UBI needs to be high enough to actually cover all the basic necessities of life, and not just be something like $500/month $500/month seems pretty doable if you're only eating rice and beans and live in dorm room style accommodations in south dakota, and don't spend money on anything else. Sure, eating rice and beans isn't great, but eating beef is arguably not a necessity. Nor is living in your own unit in a desirable location, or having money for entertainment.
- notch898a 4y ago
  Or just move to "South Dakota" which is really the Philippines where you get a maid to watch any kid(s), a woman of whatever sort of arrangement you desire, your own flat in a rural but peaceful village, and 3 squares a day. I'd live it up off $500 with no responsibilities, sounds like paradise.
- kennyloginz 4y ago
  I would be very surprised if you could find rent in South Dakota , that you have room and power to cook rice at 500 a month. Outside of a family member or close friend owning land, and letting you live rent free, 500 ain’t gonna do it.
  - gruez 4y ago
    >I would be very surprised if you could find rent in South Dakota , that you have room and power to cook rice at 500 a month Using dorm room style accommodations would significantly reduce costs compared to typical estimates using rent for a bachelor apartment. Plopping down the building in the middle of a corn field (as opposed to some sort of high cost urban center) reduces costs even further.
refurb 4y ago
It's not possible. Rail workers get paid pretty well. If you're making $100,000/yr and supporting a middle class family, you can't have UBI that matches that income level. Getting $40,000/yr might be enough for a single person, but even then it's a huge change in lifestyle and often impossible to adjust (mortgage, car payments, etc).
- danaris 4y ago
  In situations like this, the point isn't to have a UBI that matches the income level of an upper-middle-class job. It's to have something to decrease your burn rate, so you don't have to worry about being homeless next week.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Sure, but there isn't much difference between "I have to stay at my job or end up homeless" or "I have to stay at my job or else I can't afford my mortgage and will have to sell my cars and my kids can't go to summer camp". Clearly the 2nd one is better, but it's still a very serious decision that has consequences most people would avoid.
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junofan 4y ago

How long do you think it takes to find a job as a railroad track laborer?

notch898a 4y ago

Exactly, pay enough so that no one has to work. Then we can all buy the goods and services we like without toiling.

gruez 4y ago

>This is, however, why UBI needs to be high enough to actually cover all the basic necessities of life, and not just be something like $500/month $500/month seems pretty doable if you're only eating rice and beans and live in dorm room style accommodations in south dakota, and don't spend money on anything else. Sure, eating rice and beans isn't great, but eating beef is arguably not a necessity. Nor is living in your own unit in a desirable location, or having money for entertainment.

notch898a 4y ago
Or just move to "South Dakota" which is really the Philippines where you get a maid to watch any kid(s), a woman of whatever sort of arrangement you desire, your own flat in a rural but peaceful village, and 3 squares a day. I'd live it up off $500 with no responsibilities, sounds like paradise.
kennyloginz 4y ago
I would be very surprised if you could find rent in South Dakota , that you have room and power to cook rice at 500 a month. Outside of a family member or close friend owning land, and letting you live rent free, 500 ain’t gonna do it.
- gruez 4y ago
  >I would be very surprised if you could find rent in South Dakota , that you have room and power to cook rice at 500 a month Using dorm room style accommodations would significantly reduce costs compared to typical estimates using rent for a bachelor apartment. Plopping down the building in the middle of a corn field (as opposed to some sort of high cost urban center) reduces costs even further.

refurb 4y ago

It's not possible. Rail workers get paid pretty well. If you're making $100,000/yr and supporting a middle class family, you can't have UBI that matches that income level. Getting $40,000/yr might be enough for a single person, but even then it's a huge change in lifestyle and often impossible to adjust (mortgage, car payments, etc).

danaris 4y ago
In situations like this, the point isn't to have a UBI that matches the income level of an upper-middle-class job. It's to have something to decrease your burn rate, so you don't have to worry about being homeless next week.
- refurb 4y ago
  Sure, but there isn't much difference between "I have to stay at my job or end up homeless" or "I have to stay at my job or else I can't afford my mortgage and will have to sell my cars and my kids can't go to summer camp". Clearly the 2nd one is better, but it's still a very serious decision that has consequences most people would avoid.
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