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Who specifically are you accusing of hypocrisy here? Because yeah, as a "free-speech defender" this is pretty blatantly unconstitutional, and will almost certai

Who specifically are you accusing of hypocrisy here? Because yeah, as a "free-speech defender" this is pretty blatantly unconstitutional, and will almost certainly never pass, and it should probably raise questions about the guy who authored it (who I've never heard of).

klyrs 4y ago
Anti-wokeness is frequently couched on a basis of free speech. DeSantis, at the very least, is shown to be unprincipled in this regard.
Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
The republican party, from whence this came, are being accused of hypocrisy. As are the likes of Elon, Tucker, etc who would be VERY vocal about any such thing common from a democrat, but here remain silent. The fact that its blatantly unconstitutional makes even more hypocritical from a party who regularly claim unconditional allegiance to this document. Bills like this aren't meant to pass on the first go. They are just testing the waters. But its existence is clear evidence of what they really want. Same goes for that bill that, if enacted, would eliminate the democratic party [0] or the bills that did get passed which is letting Desantis exert control over Disney, with the stated goal of making a private company change its content to what he favours. Viewed collectively they show a coherent pattern. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-republicans-bill-ban-state-democratic-party-rcna72917 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-repub... [1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/desantis-promises-florida-will-control-disney-content.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/desantis-promises-fl...
- klyrs 4y ago
  Hooeee, [0] is a whopper. If that passed, a bill to amend the constitution, forbidding punitive slavery, would become must-pass legislation. That'd really fuck Florida's economy if the state had to pay prisoners minimum wage.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > If that passed, a bill to amend the constitution, forbidding punitive slavery, would become must-pass legislation Right now, it wouldn't pass with a Republican House, or (given the supermajority requirement to propose an amendment) with a narrowly Democratic Senate. It might not even pass with a widely Democratic Senate; the California legislature failed to pass a bill on this despite a wide Democratic majority. And it wouldn't be ratified by the required supermajority of states, because lots of states are heavily invested in penal labor. Outrage over Florida beign extreme on this might make it help polarize Dem states (via the Dem electorate) against it even where instituttionally entrenched, but that would be offset by the effecg of polarizing the issue on the other side.
    - klyrs 4y ago
      Oh I'm not saying it would be must-pass everywhere. Just in Florida, if they managed to pass the Ultimate Cancel bill.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        Oh, I thought younwere suggesting a federal amendment that would render the Florida action invalid, not undoing the action within the Florida system. But, you've got a similar problem in Florida—if the present political alignment is such that such a bill could pass (especially if not by a narrow margin), undoing it is unlikely to be an easy lift, politically.

klyrs 4y ago

Anti-wokeness is frequently couched on a basis of free speech. DeSantis, at the very least, is shown to be unprincipled in this regard.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago

The republican party, from whence this came, are being accused of hypocrisy. As are the likes of Elon, Tucker, etc who would be VERY vocal about any such thing common from a democrat, but here remain silent. The fact that its blatantly unconstitutional makes even more hypocritical from a party who regularly claim unconditional allegiance to this document. Bills like this aren't meant to pass on the first go. They are just testing the waters. But its existence is clear evidence of what they really want. Same goes for that bill that, if enacted, would eliminate the democratic party [0] or the bills that did get passed which is letting Desantis exert control over Disney, with the stated goal of making a private company change its content to what he favours. Viewed collectively they show a coherent pattern. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-republicans-bill-ban-state-democratic-party-rcna72917 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-repub... [1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/desantis-promises-florida-will-control-disney-content.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/desantis-promises-fl...

klyrs 4y ago
Hooeee, [0] is a whopper. If that passed, a bill to amend the constitution, forbidding punitive slavery, would become must-pass legislation. That'd really fuck Florida's economy if the state had to pay prisoners minimum wage.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > If that passed, a bill to amend the constitution, forbidding punitive slavery, would become must-pass legislation Right now, it wouldn't pass with a Republican House, or (given the supermajority requirement to propose an amendment) with a narrowly Democratic Senate. It might not even pass with a widely Democratic Senate; the California legislature failed to pass a bill on this despite a wide Democratic majority. And it wouldn't be ratified by the required supermajority of states, because lots of states are heavily invested in penal labor. Outrage over Florida beign extreme on this might make it help polarize Dem states (via the Dem electorate) against it even where instituttionally entrenched, but that would be offset by the effecg of polarizing the issue on the other side.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    Oh I'm not saying it would be must-pass everywhere. Just in Florida, if they managed to pass the Ultimate Cancel bill.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      Oh, I thought younwere suggesting a federal amendment that would render the Florida action invalid, not undoing the action within the Florida system. But, you've got a similar problem in Florida—if the present political alignment is such that such a bill could pass (especially if not by a narrow margin), undoing it is unlikely to be an easy lift, politically.