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I'm not sure what was going on with this but the title is similar to a thought that I've been having for a while. How long until chatGPT or something like it c

by Teever 4y ago

I'm not sure what was going on with this but the title is similar to a thought that I've been having for a while. How long until chatGPT or something like it can design the hardware that implements it? How long until it can convince people to build or purchase that hardware and set it up for chatGPT? How long until it can design robots that can do that for it instead of people? What happens then? Where are we on this path?

rcpt 4y ago
I've tried getting ChatGPT to generate verilog but it didn't work. Seems to be better at python
- Teever 4y ago
  I've been thinking of a stable diffusion type program that is trained on images of circuit diagrams. Would be neat to see if it could output images of its own circuits or novel ones
- int_19h 4y ago
  Python predominates the training set, so it is not surprising. In a similar vein, when it comes to natural languages, you can easily convince it to translate or even try to speak Old Norse or, say, Lojban, but it gets things hilariously wrong then.
xiphias2 4y ago
Software is advancing in a far more faster pace at this point than hardware. Before we were happy when something new happened in AI every few years. Now we can expect something new / cool happening every few months (10x price decrease for GPT was a huge deal just a few days ago).
- cwkoss 4y ago
  Down to 2 weeks in image generation. Stablediffusion ecosystem is super cool.
gtop3 4y ago
how long until humans optimized out of the technological advancement loop * It's uncertain that we will be optimized out. We may go full symbiotic. We may reach a technological plateau. We may run out of natural resources before the singularity. * Ray Kurzweil estimates the singularity, an explosion of intelligence, will occur around 2045. what will that mean for humans? * An adversarial relationship is possible. It seems like a small but potentially fatal possibility. The likelihood is a topic of debate, and any answer from AI would be heavily scrutinized. * Research Universal Paperclips for an interesting take on competing for finite resources. * More intelligence means we can solve more human problems. Potentially massive problems like aging, grand unified theory or poverty. * Many people live entire lives without advancing technology. Maybe all of us technologist just go do that.
- gnramires 4y ago
  > * More intelligence means we can solve more human problems. Potentially massive problems like aging, grand unified theory or poverty. We already have the intelligence, and already know how to do it (in a way), for many of those problems. For example, if most people gave 10% of their income to charity, poverty would essentially be a trivial issue.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtWINl3C_7s&t=8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtWINl3C_7s&t=8s The somewhat harder part is convincing people to help others, and cooperate to solve the most pressing issues, which we definitely could do :) That includes wars, climate change, social conflicts, and taking care of individuals mental and physical health properly. We already have the means to address all of those.
  - throwaway4aday 4y ago
    Don't people already give large percentages of their income to an organization that is supposed to provide services for the impoverished? How would giving another 10% solve poverty?
    - gnramires 4y ago
      Please watch Beth's video, it's very good. Most governments aren't super focused on addressing poverty, in part because some don't consider it fair to directly lift people out of poverty, there is a taboo against giving, or because it's not in the common conscience that we should eradicate poverty as soon as we can. Some countries for example in Western Europe or elsewhere do have almost eliminated poverty, but it still persists in often much more grave conditions elsewhere. The good news is there are several organizations (I give to GiveDirectly, but there are probably others) that track the most poor and needy people worldwide and you can just give them money to get out of poverty. There are many other effective interventions that address poverty, and Effective Altruism[2] is one of the movements looking at attacking them directly (although I'm not a fundamental opponent to governments doing so as well; the problem is that governments act very locally and at least in the west are more focused on education, infrastructure, etc. than charity) [1] https://www.givedirectly.org/ https://www.givedirectly.org/ [2] https://www.effectivealtruism.org/ https://www.effectivealtruism.org/

by Teever 4y ago

rcpt 4y ago

I've tried getting ChatGPT to generate verilog but it didn't work. Seems to be better at python

Teever 4y ago
I've been thinking of a stable diffusion type program that is trained on images of circuit diagrams. Would be neat to see if it could output images of its own circuits or novel ones
int_19h 4y ago
Python predominates the training set, so it is not surprising. In a similar vein, when it comes to natural languages, you can easily convince it to translate or even try to speak Old Norse or, say, Lojban, but it gets things hilariously wrong then.

xiphias2 4y ago

Software is advancing in a far more faster pace at this point than hardware. Before we were happy when something new happened in AI every few years. Now we can expect something new / cool happening every few months (10x price decrease for GPT was a huge deal just a few days ago).

cwkoss 4y ago
Down to 2 weeks in image generation. Stablediffusion ecosystem is super cool.

gtop3 4y ago

how long until humans optimized out of the technological advancement loop * It's uncertain that we will be optimized out. We may go full symbiotic. We may reach a technological plateau. We may run out of natural resources before the singularity. * Ray Kurzweil estimates the singularity, an explosion of intelligence, will occur around 2045. what will that mean for humans? * An adversarial relationship is possible. It seems like a small but potentially fatal possibility. The likelihood is a topic of debate, and any answer from AI would be heavily scrutinized. * Research Universal Paperclips for an interesting take on competing for finite resources. * More intelligence means we can solve more human problems. Potentially massive problems like aging, grand unified theory or poverty. * Many people live entire lives without advancing technology. Maybe all of us technologist just go do that.

gnramires 4y ago
> * More intelligence means we can solve more human problems. Potentially massive problems like aging, grand unified theory or poverty. We already have the intelligence, and already know how to do it (in a way), for many of those problems. For example, if most people gave 10% of their income to charity, poverty would essentially be a trivial issue.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtWINl3C_7s&t=8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtWINl3C_7s&t=8s The somewhat harder part is convincing people to help others, and cooperate to solve the most pressing issues, which we definitely could do :) That includes wars, climate change, social conflicts, and taking care of individuals mental and physical health properly. We already have the means to address all of those.
- throwaway4aday 4y ago
  Don't people already give large percentages of their income to an organization that is supposed to provide services for the impoverished? How would giving another 10% solve poverty?
  - gnramires 4y ago
    Please watch Beth's video, it's very good. Most governments aren't super focused on addressing poverty, in part because some don't consider it fair to directly lift people out of poverty, there is a taboo against giving, or because it's not in the common conscience that we should eradicate poverty as soon as we can. Some countries for example in Western Europe or elsewhere do have almost eliminated poverty, but it still persists in often much more grave conditions elsewhere. The good news is there are several organizations (I give to GiveDirectly, but there are probably others) that track the most poor and needy people worldwide and you can just give them money to get out of poverty. There are many other effective interventions that address poverty, and Effective Altruism[2] is one of the movements looking at attacking them directly (although I'm not a fundamental opponent to governments doing so as well; the problem is that governments act very locally and at least in the west are more focused on education, infrastructure, etc. than charity) [1] https://www.givedirectly.org/ https://www.givedirectly.org/ [2] https://www.effectivealtruism.org/ https://www.effectivealtruism.org/