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One of the few things I didn't entirely disagree with AOC on. Too bad she comes with a lot of baggage, so the argument she fights for the "little man" falls fla

One of the few things I didn't entirely disagree with AOC on. Too bad she comes with a lot of baggage, so the argument she fights for the "little man" falls flat.

woooooo 4y ago
Nobody's perfect but most of the "baggage" originates from Tucker Carlson rather than AOC herself. How would you or I look if we were the target of that kind of campaign?
- darkwizard42 4y ago
  I don't think OP was talking about that. There are a number of short-sighted policies that she supports which definitely don't hold economic water. ex. rent control expansion, extremely high % of affordable housing designation in new construction. They are popular policies but don't necessarily make a real difference to the environment.
  - dwallin 4y ago
    A focus on achieving outcomes unfortunately isn't really valued in our current political system so instead of us being able to debate which policies would most effectively achieve shared goals we debate how ideologically pure the policies are, or even just reflexively reject ideas based on who delivered them. This is a universal problem across political parties.
nebula8804 4y ago
She appears to have very high approval ratings among her constituents. At the end of the day they are the ones who matter, not HN downvoters, not the people who criticize her or don't like her, not anyone else. There have been moments where she has disappointed her greater base (this includes people outside her district) by not being stronger on pushing back at her own party. It seems like a losing proposition. She is only a small handful of progressive candidates and anyone of her cohort who speak out have their reputations cemented in a negative fashion. Just ask Ilhan Omar: Among the many right wing attacks against her are stupid things like her supposedly marrying her brother and on the left wing she is constantly attacked for being anti-semitic despite raising obvious points on the corruption of the Israel lobby. AOC, Ilhan, and the squad are used by the Democratic party when it suits them but at the same time all their bills are quickly killed so whats the point? There has been so many decades of left wing apathy that every single entity that musters up any little bit of courage to fight the right wing using their own tactics are quickly branded as a dangerous being and that negative emotion is permanently sewn into people heads.

One of the few things I didn't entirely disagree with AOC on. Too bad she comes with a lot of baggage, so the argument she fights for the "little man" falls flat.

woooooo 4y ago

Nobody's perfect but most of the "baggage" originates from Tucker Carlson rather than AOC herself. How would you or I look if we were the target of that kind of campaign?

darkwizard42 4y ago
I don't think OP was talking about that. There are a number of short-sighted policies that she supports which definitely don't hold economic water. ex. rent control expansion, extremely high % of affordable housing designation in new construction. They are popular policies but don't necessarily make a real difference to the environment.
- dwallin 4y ago
  A focus on achieving outcomes unfortunately isn't really valued in our current political system so instead of us being able to debate which policies would most effectively achieve shared goals we debate how ideologically pure the policies are, or even just reflexively reject ideas based on who delivered them. This is a universal problem across political parties.

nebula8804 4y ago

She appears to have very high approval ratings among her constituents. At the end of the day they are the ones who matter, not HN downvoters, not the people who criticize her or don't like her, not anyone else. There have been moments where she has disappointed her greater base (this includes people outside her district) by not being stronger on pushing back at her own party. It seems like a losing proposition. She is only a small handful of progressive candidates and anyone of her cohort who speak out have their reputations cemented in a negative fashion. Just ask Ilhan Omar: Among the many right wing attacks against her are stupid things like her supposedly marrying her brother and on the left wing she is constantly attacked for being anti-semitic despite raising obvious points on the corruption of the Israel lobby. AOC, Ilhan, and the squad are used by the Democratic party when it suits them but at the same time all their bills are quickly killed so whats the point? There has been so many decades of left wing apathy that every single entity that musters up any little bit of courage to fight the right wing using their own tactics are quickly branded as a dangerous being and that negative emotion is permanently sewn into people heads.