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None of the people involved with this law are elected. Even once it reaches the so-called Parliament, the people there don't have any real power. At best they c

None of the people involved with this law are elected. Even once it reaches the so-called Parliament, the people there don't have any real power. At best they can provide opinions and hope the Commission listens. In practice and exactly because they have no power the EUP is full of cheerleaders who never saw a new EU power they didn't like.

Scandiravian 4y ago
I'm in disagreement with this. It's simply factually wrong You seem to mix the purpose of the Commission with that of the Council of the European Union, which is a body that has the power to make decisions. It consists of elected representatives from member states The European Parliament, which is again all elected representatives, makes decisions that the Commission must implement, not the other way around The Commission are the ones who draws up proposals and that they hope the Parliament will pass Please educate yourself on this, as this kind of misinformation is undermining trust in the democratic process
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  You're describing the way a normal democratic government works. The EU parliament can't force the commission to do anything other than a mass resignation, which hasn't happened for decades. The "parliament" can't even propose changes to the law, let alone arbitrarily command the Commission like in a virtual government. That means it's not even really a Parliament!
  - Scandiravian 4y ago
    I'm pointing out that your post is factually wrong. Now I'm moving on
    - fidgewidge 4y ago
      You're using a (hopefully not deliberately) very deceptive set of phrasings to make it sounds like the EP or even the Council is in charge. Almost nobody tries to make that argument because it's clearly not the case and that situation is written into the treaties. All this stuff starts and ends with the Commission which is where all the actual decisions get made, the not-really-a-"Parliament" is just along for the ride and asked to rubber-stamp things from time to time. As for the council, it also cannot actually propose changes to EU law. He who makes the law ... makes the law, it's as simple as that.

Scandiravian 4y ago

I'm in disagreement with this. It's simply factually wrong You seem to mix the purpose of the Commission with that of the Council of the European Union, which is a body that has the power to make decisions. It consists of elected representatives from member states The European Parliament, which is again all elected representatives, makes decisions that the Commission must implement, not the other way around The Commission are the ones who draws up proposals and that they hope the Parliament will pass Please educate yourself on this, as this kind of misinformation is undermining trust in the democratic process

fidgewidge 4y ago
You're describing the way a normal democratic government works. The EU parliament can't force the commission to do anything other than a mass resignation, which hasn't happened for decades. The "parliament" can't even propose changes to the law, let alone arbitrarily command the Commission like in a virtual government. That means it's not even really a Parliament!
- Scandiravian 4y ago
  I'm pointing out that your post is factually wrong. Now I'm moving on
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    You're using a (hopefully not deliberately) very deceptive set of phrasings to make it sounds like the EP or even the Council is in charge. Almost nobody tries to make that argument because it's clearly not the case and that situation is written into the treaties. All this stuff starts and ends with the Commission which is where all the actual decisions get made, the not-really-a-"Parliament" is just along for the ride and asked to rubber-stamp things from time to time. As for the council, it also cannot actually propose changes to EU law. He who makes the law ... makes the law, it's as simple as that.