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> better than the average driver The average driver is pull down by a lot of people who: 1) are drunk 2) speed unnecessarily 3) drive shitty cars 4) drive dist

> better than the average driver The average driver is pull down by a lot of people who: 1) are drunk 2) speed unnecessarily 3) drive shitty cars 4) drive distracted by tech 5) drive tired If you eliminate those factors, then major car crashes get reduced to almost nothing. That is what the autopilot is competing against, not the "average" driver. Until it gets better than a human that is sober, rested and drives defensively, autopilot won't take off. We are a long way from that.

slackdog 4y ago
Exactly right. I don't want a self-driving car that is "average safe" because I am never "average drunk" when I drive myself. I refuse to drive after even one beer earlier that day, it's a decision I make for myself; I choose not to be an average driver. Why should I pretend that I am not myself, but rather am an embodiment of a statistic with no free will of my own? inb4 "everybody thinks that", such inane arguments don't make me drunk.
rootusrootus 4y ago
Also, 6) drive at night, and 7) drive in terrible weather. Even with all the people who drive dangerously, driving is remarkably safe given how many miles we drive. As you say, take away the outliers and it's very safe. And an autonomous system won't gain acceptance among the majority of drivers who don't take these risks until it's conclusively better than them.
- flavius29663 4y ago
  The saying is "it takes two to have a car accident", and I found out over the years that it's mostly true, I've forgiven a lot of mistakes by other drivers, and viceversa. It's also the cultural dimension to this: we as humans are very good as establishing a culture or fitting into a new culture when new to it. We are very good at predicting what the other drivers are doing, and we can avoid a lot of incidents that way. When could the AI have a perception of culture change, and say an AI trained in SF would have a hard time adapting in DC or New York - all with different styles of driving. Not to mention moving to other countries...
smileysteve 4y ago
But we can't eliminate those factors; Indeed, those factors apply to 95% of American drivers. (you left out Angry, Old) - 43% of Americans — and 56% of Men — Admit to Drinking and Driving - 60% of American drivers admit to texting while driving, and 70 percent admit to using a handheld cell phone while driving – 43 percent say they use a mobile device while driving as a habit.
lamontcg 4y ago
It doesn't have to be better than average-without-the-outliers. As long as it removes the outliers and drives consistently good enough to avoid accidents, then it is good enough.

slackdog 4y ago

Exactly right. I don't want a self-driving car that is "average safe" because I am never "average drunk" when I drive myself. I refuse to drive after even one beer earlier that day, it's a decision I make for myself; I choose not to be an average driver. Why should I pretend that I am not myself, but rather am an embodiment of a statistic with no free will of my own? inb4 "everybody thinks that", such inane arguments don't make me drunk.

rootusrootus 4y ago

Also, 6) drive at night, and 7) drive in terrible weather. Even with all the people who drive dangerously, driving is remarkably safe given how many miles we drive. As you say, take away the outliers and it's very safe. And an autonomous system won't gain acceptance among the majority of drivers who don't take these risks until it's conclusively better than them.

flavius29663 4y ago
The saying is "it takes two to have a car accident", and I found out over the years that it's mostly true, I've forgiven a lot of mistakes by other drivers, and viceversa. It's also the cultural dimension to this: we as humans are very good as establishing a culture or fitting into a new culture when new to it. We are very good at predicting what the other drivers are doing, and we can avoid a lot of incidents that way. When could the AI have a perception of culture change, and say an AI trained in SF would have a hard time adapting in DC or New York - all with different styles of driving. Not to mention moving to other countries...

smileysteve 4y ago

But we can't eliminate those factors; Indeed, those factors apply to 95% of American drivers. (you left out Angry, Old) - 43% of Americans — and 56% of Men — Admit to Drinking and Driving - 60% of American drivers admit to texting while driving, and 70 percent admit to using a handheld cell phone while driving – 43 percent say they use a mobile device while driving as a habit.

lamontcg 4y ago

It doesn't have to be better than average-without-the-outliers. As long as it removes the outliers and drives consistently good enough to avoid accidents, then it is good enough.