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The car is self driving, while the driver monitors and is responsible for its operation at all times. How is that a difficult concept? The car tells the driver

The car is self driving, while the driver monitors and is responsible for its operation at all times. How is that a difficult concept? The car tells the driver this every single time autopilot is engaged. Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous)

duxup 4y ago
> people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean Perhaps they sincerely think of it differently than you do?
mlyle 4y ago
> Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous) Because of statements like this: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." Because the ways that real humans use the system. People defeating the wheel and texting is commonplace. It is just reliable enough to disable human vigilance and then be really unsafe.
AlexandrB 4y ago
> Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous) "People" here includes the CEO of the company selling the damn things.
nathanaldensr 4y ago
It seems to me you're the one working hard giving humans far too much credit for being as aware and cognizant of things as you are. People buy Teslas because they are fashion statements, not because they are anal super detail-oriented Type A personalities.
nolok 4y ago
Like I said, there is a difference between the facts, that you state, and how the PR and marketing are presenting them. You don't even need to go far at all, here are the very first words, right now, on tesla "autopilot" page [1]: > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities You cannot in good conscience tell me that this doesn't implies something different than reality, and please don't be one of those that try to claim "no, the word autopilot doesn't ring any bell in people's head they don't have any preconception". You need to go all the way down half the page, a full 4 scrolls down on my 1600px tall screen, to see "Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." So yes, like I said, the fine line always give the trick. But the marketing pushed forward implies something different, and if marketing didn't work we wouldn't be doing it. (that's just one exemple amongst lots of them) [1] : https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
- brandonagr2 4y ago
  The same way that cruise control = self accelerating car, autopilot = self driving car. In both cases the human is using a tool to operate the vehicle. Are you asserting that other systems like drivepilot, pro pilot assist, or blue cruise are safer and promote a better understanding of their capability because a few letters are different in the marketing name?
  - nolok 4y ago
    I am asserting people have a set idea of what the word "autopilot" means, and it doesn't mean "unable to pilot on its own without me being fully attentive to it at all times". And I am also asserting that this name was chosen specifically for this implication.
guenthert 4y ago
In that sense every automobile is self-driving.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous) Self driving is not autonomous? I think maybe your definition is quite different from Average Driver, and so the intentionality may be more yours than theirs.
quantified 4y ago
Auto nomous: Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent. Independent in mind or judgment; self-directed. Independent of the laws of another state or government; self-governing. Means self-acting.

duxup 4y ago

> people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean Perhaps they sincerely think of it differently than you do?

mlyle 4y ago

> Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous) Because of statements like this: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." Because the ways that real humans use the system. People defeating the wheel and texting is commonplace. It is just reliable enough to disable human vigilance and then be really unsafe.

AlexandrB 4y ago

> Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous) "People" here includes the CEO of the company selling the damn things.

nathanaldensr 4y ago

It seems to me you're the one working hard giving humans far too much credit for being as aware and cognizant of things as you are. People buy Teslas because they are fashion statements, not because they are anal super detail-oriented Type A personalities.

nolok 4y ago

Like I said, there is a difference between the facts, that you state, and how the PR and marketing are presenting them. You don't even need to go far at all, here are the very first words, right now, on tesla "autopilot" page [1]: > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities You cannot in good conscience tell me that this doesn't implies something different than reality, and please don't be one of those that try to claim "no, the word autopilot doesn't ring any bell in people's head they don't have any preconception". You need to go all the way down half the page, a full 4 scrolls down on my 1600px tall screen, to see "Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." So yes, like I said, the fine line always give the trick. But the marketing pushed forward implies something different, and if marketing didn't work we wouldn't be doing it. (that's just one exemple amongst lots of them) [1] : https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

brandonagr2 4y ago
The same way that cruise control = self accelerating car, autopilot = self driving car. In both cases the human is using a tool to operate the vehicle. Are you asserting that other systems like drivepilot, pro pilot assist, or blue cruise are safer and promote a better understanding of their capability because a few letters are different in the marketing name?
- nolok 4y ago
  I am asserting people have a set idea of what the word "autopilot" means, and it doesn't mean "unable to pilot on its own without me being fully attentive to it at all times". And I am also asserting that this name was chosen specifically for this implication.

guenthert 4y ago

In that sense every automobile is self-driving.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> Why do people work so hard to intentionally misunderstand what self driving and autopilot mean? (they don't mean autonomous) Self driving is not autonomous? I think maybe your definition is quite different from Average Driver, and so the intentionality may be more yours than theirs.

quantified 4y ago

Auto nomous: Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent. Independent in mind or judgment; self-directed. Independent of the laws of another state or government; self-governing. Means self-acting.