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I'm more worried about the idiots driving 80mph and texting. Police don't seem to care or they are just so overwhelmed they have given up. I would welcome auton

I'm more worried about the idiots driving 80mph and texting. Police don't seem to care or they are just so overwhelmed they have given up. I would welcome autonomous cars.

ejb999 4y ago
I agree, and sooner or later almost everyone will have one - even the people who don't want one - because, imo, the insurance cost on a regular car is going to skyrocket, and fsd will be the only affordable option for many people. With all the trips I did back and forth to my kids schools for many years (60 minutes round trip), I would have loved the ability to just send the car to pick them up after school, or get them there when they missed the bus. Too late for my kids, but my guess is by time I am too old to drive myself I will have FSD option available instead.
gdulli 4y ago
You're comparing the risks quantitatively when you should be comparing them qualitatively. We have a lot of decades of understanding of the extent and surface area of the risk around human drivers and non-autonomous car technology. The technology and the norms around safety and regulations came about in a different time, when it was less perverted by profit and the chaos of software bugs. We have no data about the safety of autonomous vehicles at scale, in the full spectrum of driving conditions and scenarios. And there's the extra nuance that any change to a model or algorithm could have regressions for an entire fleet at once that at best invalidate any safety metrics we learned from the previous version, and at worst make the whole fleet unsafe overnight. We have metrics that tell us roughly how many drivers will be distracted or drunk on a given day. It's not perfect, but we evolved an equilibrium that makes us feel safe enough about getting on the road. And we have accountability for the people who are unsafe. You might not even distrust autonomous car technology, but it's logical to distrust the new forces of unaccountability for the technologists who inevitably introduce regressions that kill people at scale, the corners that will be cut in today's version of capitalism, laws being disregarded by technology giants because they can get away with things that automakers in a more innocent time couldn't.

I'm more worried about the idiots driving 80mph and texting. Police don't seem to care or they are just so overwhelmed they have given up. I would welcome autonomous cars.

ejb999 4y ago

I agree, and sooner or later almost everyone will have one - even the people who don't want one - because, imo, the insurance cost on a regular car is going to skyrocket, and fsd will be the only affordable option for many people. With all the trips I did back and forth to my kids schools for many years (60 minutes round trip), I would have loved the ability to just send the car to pick them up after school, or get them there when they missed the bus. Too late for my kids, but my guess is by time I am too old to drive myself I will have FSD option available instead.

gdulli 4y ago

You're comparing the risks quantitatively when you should be comparing them qualitatively. We have a lot of decades of understanding of the extent and surface area of the risk around human drivers and non-autonomous car technology. The technology and the norms around safety and regulations came about in a different time, when it was less perverted by profit and the chaos of software bugs. We have no data about the safety of autonomous vehicles at scale, in the full spectrum of driving conditions and scenarios. And there's the extra nuance that any change to a model or algorithm could have regressions for an entire fleet at once that at best invalidate any safety metrics we learned from the previous version, and at worst make the whole fleet unsafe overnight. We have metrics that tell us roughly how many drivers will be distracted or drunk on a given day. It's not perfect, but we evolved an equilibrium that makes us feel safe enough about getting on the road. And we have accountability for the people who are unsafe. You might not even distrust autonomous car technology, but it's logical to distrust the new forces of unaccountability for the technologists who inevitably introduce regressions that kill people at scale, the corners that will be cut in today's version of capitalism, laws being disregarded by technology giants because they can get away with things that automakers in a more innocent time couldn't.