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It's astonishing how a supposedly liberal and tolerant society is so much hateful towards eroticism it considers the Lena pic originating from a PlayBoy magazin

It's astonishing how a supposedly liberal and tolerant society is so much hateful towards eroticism it considers the Lena pic originating from a PlayBoy magazine to have a "troubled" origin.

jonnycomputer 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_sexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_sexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-sex-markets/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-sex-markets/ that said, its considered problematic, or troubled, not because its erotica, but because a group of men used a photo of that nature as the test image. some could, and some probably do, consider that to be objectifying women, particularly when the field is so dominated by men that women may feel that it signals that their worth is judged by their sexual appeal more than their technical skills. and, i could well imagine how I might feel in that situation. however, there is also something to this that feels overwrought, or perhaps even like a little old-fashioned prudishness.
- plank 4y ago
  This. Funny how this seemingly clear point doesn’t get across to the other side of the debate (this discussion, more then others, seem to divide the group into two sides: one that sees why using Lena can be considered troubled, and one that does not). I find this difficult to understand.
antibasilisk 4y ago
don't you think it's a little odd to use a porno crop in a professional environment? i would rightfully be fired immediately if i demoed something to client using a belle delphine crop. Lena is only given a pass due to tradition
mock-possum 4y ago
So imagine sitting around with your coworkers, and one of your teammates raises his hand and says, "I think we should use this naked picture of a hot white chick as reference imagery." How does that make you feel? It would sketch me the fuck out. In all fairness, would I react differently if it was a cute asian dude with a big dick? No, honestly, I would still be sketched out by it, and I like cute asian dudes with big dicks. I just don't feel comfortable indulging my sexual interests in the workplace, and I don't think that's a particularly controversial position. It has nothing to do with 'liberal' or 'tolerant society.'
- jtriangle 4y ago
  "I think we should use this naked picture of a hot white chick as reference imagery" Lena is not visibly naked in the reference imagery, so, your point is moot. It was always a cropped image, and it was cropped for exactly the reasons you outlined. If you, or others, cannot look at Lena without sexualizing her, that isn't the fault of the image, that's the fault of the viewer. Lena was used because that image is very difficult to reproduce/compress/etc, and that has not changed.
- zzo38computer 4y ago
  > How does that make you feel? It would sketch me the fuck out. I would also not like it right away, but I would be willing to listen to their reasons for it. I don't like pornography (whether it is a "naked picture of a hot white chick" or a "cute asian dude with a big dick"), and also don't intend to indulge sexual interests in the workplace, but what is need in this case is to know which collections of pictures are more helpful for testing digital image processing. And, anyways the picture is cropped. (However, I think that for test images, it is better to have a variety of pictures to use for testing instead of only one. They should not all be photographs of people, either, although it is helpful if some of them are.)

It's astonishing how a supposedly liberal and tolerant society is so much hateful towards eroticism it considers the Lena pic originating from a PlayBoy magazine to have a "troubled" origin.

jonnycomputer 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_sexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_sexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-sex-markets/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-sex-markets/ that said, its considered problematic, or troubled, not because its erotica, but because a group of men used a photo of that nature as the test image. some could, and some probably do, consider that to be objectifying women, particularly when the field is so dominated by men that women may feel that it signals that their worth is judged by their sexual appeal more than their technical skills. and, i could well imagine how I might feel in that situation. however, there is also something to this that feels overwrought, or perhaps even like a little old-fashioned prudishness.

plank 4y ago
This. Funny how this seemingly clear point doesn’t get across to the other side of the debate (this discussion, more then others, seem to divide the group into two sides: one that sees why using Lena can be considered troubled, and one that does not). I find this difficult to understand.

antibasilisk 4y ago

don't you think it's a little odd to use a porno crop in a professional environment? i would rightfully be fired immediately if i demoed something to client using a belle delphine crop. Lena is only given a pass due to tradition

mock-possum 4y ago

So imagine sitting around with your coworkers, and one of your teammates raises his hand and says, "I think we should use this naked picture of a hot white chick as reference imagery." How does that make you feel? It would sketch me the fuck out. In all fairness, would I react differently if it was a cute asian dude with a big dick? No, honestly, I would still be sketched out by it, and I like cute asian dudes with big dicks. I just don't feel comfortable indulging my sexual interests in the workplace, and I don't think that's a particularly controversial position. It has nothing to do with 'liberal' or 'tolerant society.'

jtriangle 4y ago
"I think we should use this naked picture of a hot white chick as reference imagery" Lena is not visibly naked in the reference imagery, so, your point is moot. It was always a cropped image, and it was cropped for exactly the reasons you outlined. If you, or others, cannot look at Lena without sexualizing her, that isn't the fault of the image, that's the fault of the viewer. Lena was used because that image is very difficult to reproduce/compress/etc, and that has not changed.
zzo38computer 4y ago
> How does that make you feel? It would sketch me the fuck out. I would also not like it right away, but I would be willing to listen to their reasons for it. I don't like pornography (whether it is a "naked picture of a hot white chick" or a "cute asian dude with a big dick"), and also don't intend to indulge sexual interests in the workplace, but what is need in this case is to know which collections of pictures are more helpful for testing digital image processing. And, anyways the picture is cropped. (However, I think that for test images, it is better to have a variety of pictures to use for testing instead of only one. They should not all be photographs of people, either, although it is helpful if some of them are.)