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It's mentioned in the FAQ on the AT Protocol website: https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activitypub https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activity

It's mentioned in the FAQ on the AT Protocol website: https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activitypub https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activitypub

ch71r22 4y ago
Also covered in their ecosystem overview: https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosystem/-/blob/master/README.md https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosyste...
ploum 4y ago
When Jack first started speaking about bluesky on Twitter, years ago, ActivityPub was a lot more niche and he ignored any message related to it. It definitely looked like a NIH as he could have started to discuss activitypub specification. I was myself heavily invested in decentralized protocols (from blockchain to activitypub) and really tried to understand what he was trying to achieve. My feeling was, in the end, clear: he wanted a "decentralised protocol" on which he had full power (aka "VC-style decentralisation"). You have to keep in mind that those successful in the valley know only one kind of thinking: raise money, get users, sell off. They can’t grasp decentralisation other than as a nice marketing term to add to their product (and, as Ripple demonstrated during the Cryptobubble, they are completely right when it comes to make tons of money with shitty tech). To my knowledge, acknowledgement of ActivityPub came after the huge Mastodon burst caused by Elon Musk. It’s more a "oh shit, we are not the first" kind of reaction. Also, you don’t simply design a decentralised protocol behind closed doors then expect everybody to adopt it. You need to be transparent, to discuss in the open. People need to know who is in charge and why. They also need to know every single decision. Decentralisation cannot be done without open source paradigms. That’s the very point of it. I think we can safely assume that Jack has simply hit his mental glass ceiling. He doesn’t get it. He doesn’t have the mental model to get it. He will probably never get it (he became a billionaire by "not getting it" so there’s no reason for him to change). The whole project is simply him throwing money at a few developers telling him what he expect to hear in order to get pay.
- wmf 4y ago
  When you've already answered a question in your FAQ yet people keep asking you "what about ActivityPub" every day for years you either have to tune it out or go insane. It looks like NIH from the outside but it's probably not. Also, you don’t simply design a decentralised protocol behind closed doors then expect everybody to adopt it. You need to be transparent, to discuss in the open. People need to know who is in charge and why. They also need to know every single decision. Decentralisation cannot be done without open source paradigms. So... that's pretty much what Bluesky did. The whole project is simply him throwing money at a few developers telling him what he expect to hear in order to get pay. Ironically, it looks like the Bluesky people are not telling him what he wants to hear (Bitcoin Bitcoin Bitcoin) so now he's backing Nostr. And if Jack has really cut Bluesky loose we should stop blaming them for the (considerable) sins of the father.

It's mentioned in the FAQ on the AT Protocol website: https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activitypub https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activitypub

ch71r22 4y ago

Also covered in their ecosystem overview: https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosystem/-/blob/master/README.md https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosyste...

ploum 4y ago

When Jack first started speaking about bluesky on Twitter, years ago, ActivityPub was a lot more niche and he ignored any message related to it. It definitely looked like a NIH as he could have started to discuss activitypub specification. I was myself heavily invested in decentralized protocols (from blockchain to activitypub) and really tried to understand what he was trying to achieve. My feeling was, in the end, clear: he wanted a "decentralised protocol" on which he had full power (aka "VC-style decentralisation"). You have to keep in mind that those successful in the valley know only one kind of thinking: raise money, get users, sell off. They can’t grasp decentralisation other than as a nice marketing term to add to their product (and, as Ripple demonstrated during the Cryptobubble, they are completely right when it comes to make tons of money with shitty tech). To my knowledge, acknowledgement of ActivityPub came after the huge Mastodon burst caused by Elon Musk. It’s more a "oh shit, we are not the first" kind of reaction. Also, you don’t simply design a decentralised protocol behind closed doors then expect everybody to adopt it. You need to be transparent, to discuss in the open. People need to know who is in charge and why. They also need to know every single decision. Decentralisation cannot be done without open source paradigms. That’s the very point of it. I think we can safely assume that Jack has simply hit his mental glass ceiling. He doesn’t get it. He doesn’t have the mental model to get it. He will probably never get it (he became a billionaire by "not getting it" so there’s no reason for him to change). The whole project is simply him throwing money at a few developers telling him what he expect to hear in order to get pay.

wmf 4y ago
When you've already answered a question in your FAQ yet people keep asking you "what about ActivityPub" every day for years you either have to tune it out or go insane. It looks like NIH from the outside but it's probably not. Also, you don’t simply design a decentralised protocol behind closed doors then expect everybody to adopt it. You need to be transparent, to discuss in the open. People need to know who is in charge and why. They also need to know every single decision. Decentralisation cannot be done without open source paradigms. So... that's pretty much what Bluesky did. The whole project is simply him throwing money at a few developers telling him what he expect to hear in order to get pay. Ironically, it looks like the Bluesky people are not telling him what he wants to hear (Bitcoin Bitcoin Bitcoin) so now he's backing Nostr. And if Jack has really cut Bluesky loose we should stop blaming them for the (considerable) sins of the father.