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> the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw This is a solved problem. SawStop will reduce the injury from amputation to somewhere between laceration

by User23 4y ago

> the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw This is a solved problem. SawStop will reduce the injury from amputation to somewhere between laceration and a pinch.

brookst 4y ago
I think they were using it as shorthand for all of the physical risks that physical fabricators have, rather than saying circular saws are the one single risk and there is no mitigation.
- pickledish 4y ago
  People might find it fun to know there is a literary term for this -- synecdoche! > a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or vice versa, as in Cleveland won by six runs (meaning “Cleveland's baseball team”) (in this case, "circular saws" representing the whole class of dangerous power tools)
  - mauvehaus 4y ago
    As a former Clevelander, I find that particular example unlikely :-D Still waiting for that World Series win.
- chimprich 4y ago
  > shorthand Pun intended? :)
falcolas 4y ago
Even saw stops have bypasses, for when you need to cut a conductive material. And there are many other woodworking tools with the same amputative qualities.
armagon 4y ago
Looks like the price has finally come down a bit, but it did seem to be $2000+ for something with a saw stop, but only $200+ for a regular table saw, making it out of reach of many home handypeople. Interestingly, as I recall, nearly as many people are injured each year from power tools as are injured in vehicular collisions (in the US) and way more people drive than use power tools. There is a solution, yes, but the problem is not solved.
- LanceH 4y ago
  So you're saying to put the saws on the vehicles...
  - plonk 4y ago
    Requiring a driver's license for power tools isn't that bad an idea. That would probably be as popular as banning kitchen knives though.
    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      Wait till you hear about gun injuries in the US
- buggy6257 4y ago
  I bought a saw stop literally last week -- depending on your needs, they have a "compact" table saw which is basically equivalent to the craftsman jobsite $250 one, but it's $900. That said, it's head and shoulders above the basic ones in build quality, QoL features, and many other things too, PLUS it has the sawstop system. As a hobbyist in a small shop, I bought it as my "best saw i'll need for a very long time". The $200 saws are pieces of garbage that anyone who pursues the hobby for more than like a few months will rapidly discover the flaws of. Best bet is middle-road to get like a dewalt for $400 or so but even that has flaws compared to the sawstop.
- mdorazio 4y ago
  Just a quick note on this since I ran into the same wtf? moment a few years ago. 1) Saw Stop holds a number of patents that legally prevented anyone else from adding the same tech to their saws. Most of the patents didn’t expire until 2021, but a few are still effective until 2024. We will probably see other manufacturers add similar features in 2025 as a result. 2) SawStop built its reputation on being a premium brand in addition to being safer. So the quality of components, materials, and build is a lot higher than what you get in even a mid grade dewalt saw. I still wouldn’t buy one at their exorbitant prices, but hopefully the “accidentally removing fingers” problem will be better solved in a few years.

by User23 4y ago

> the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw This is a solved problem. SawStop will reduce the injury from amputation to somewhere between laceration and a pinch.

brookst 4y ago

I think they were using it as shorthand for all of the physical risks that physical fabricators have, rather than saying circular saws are the one single risk and there is no mitigation.

pickledish 4y ago
People might find it fun to know there is a literary term for this -- synecdoche! > a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or vice versa, as in Cleveland won by six runs (meaning “Cleveland's baseball team”) (in this case, "circular saws" representing the whole class of dangerous power tools)
- mauvehaus 4y ago
  As a former Clevelander, I find that particular example unlikely :-D Still waiting for that World Series win.
chimprich 4y ago
> shorthand Pun intended? :)

falcolas 4y ago

Even saw stops have bypasses, for when you need to cut a conductive material. And there are many other woodworking tools with the same amputative qualities.

armagon 4y ago

Looks like the price has finally come down a bit, but it did seem to be $2000+ for something with a saw stop, but only $200+ for a regular table saw, making it out of reach of many home handypeople. Interestingly, as I recall, nearly as many people are injured each year from power tools as are injured in vehicular collisions (in the US) and way more people drive than use power tools. There is a solution, yes, but the problem is not solved.

LanceH 4y ago
So you're saying to put the saws on the vehicles...
- plonk 4y ago
  Requiring a driver's license for power tools isn't that bad an idea. That would probably be as popular as banning kitchen knives though.
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    Wait till you hear about gun injuries in the US
buggy6257 4y ago
I bought a saw stop literally last week -- depending on your needs, they have a "compact" table saw which is basically equivalent to the craftsman jobsite $250 one, but it's $900. That said, it's head and shoulders above the basic ones in build quality, QoL features, and many other things too, PLUS it has the sawstop system. As a hobbyist in a small shop, I bought it as my "best saw i'll need for a very long time". The $200 saws are pieces of garbage that anyone who pursues the hobby for more than like a few months will rapidly discover the flaws of. Best bet is middle-road to get like a dewalt for $400 or so but even that has flaws compared to the sawstop.
mdorazio 4y ago
Just a quick note on this since I ran into the same wtf? moment a few years ago. 1) Saw Stop holds a number of patents that legally prevented anyone else from adding the same tech to their saws. Most of the patents didn’t expire until 2021, but a few are still effective until 2024. We will probably see other manufacturers add similar features in 2025 as a result. 2) SawStop built its reputation on being a premium brand in addition to being safer. So the quality of components, materials, and build is a lot higher than what you get in even a mid grade dewalt saw. I still wouldn’t buy one at their exorbitant prices, but hopefully the “accidentally removing fingers” problem will be better solved in a few years.