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You can't fix the problem by not talking about it. It wasn't an unfortunate natural disaster.

by comboy 4y ago

krapp 4y ago
You can't fix the problem, period, certainly not by talking about it. The internet offers catharsis, not praxis. Americans have no more ability to affect their government's imperial capitalist agenda than they do to command the tides, others outside of the US even less so.
- comboy 4y ago
  I disagree. I think you are close to the truth, but Iraq war was not seen in a very negative light by US citizens, or people in EU for that matter. Which was what media pushed. But people can think on their own. Somebody in the thread may want to argue that the war was a good or necessary thing, somebody will say otherwise and maybe the first one will check Wikipedia, and learn new facts that may change his mind in the future. Bit idealistic, but if each person can make 2 people more educated, the we have an exponential function.
  - beebeepka 4y ago
    What? Only the most disgusting racists were "ok" with the invasion of Iraq, for the sole reason it made brown muslims people hurt
    - alluro2 4y ago
      All polls closely prior to the attack on Iraq show 55-67% US public support. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United...
      - beebeepka 4y ago
        Not sure what made you think I was talking about how the US felt about it. They obviously loved it very much. As luck would have it, the US became net exporter just a few years after the conquest
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      - panick21_ 4y ago
        A very large part of this is because of literally outright lies about how Iraq was connected to 9/11. The administration knew that this was the only way they could convince anybody. The hardest part of my job is connecting Iraq to 9/11 - Bush
  - krapp 4y ago
    > but Iraq war was not seen in a very negative light by US citizens, or people in EU for that matter. Millions of Americans protested the Iraq war[0]. Globally it resulted in the largest protests in the world at that time. It didn't matter. Of course you're correct about the zeitgeist of the US at the time, the government, the media and the American right were pro-war and they controlled the narrative. And I have to concede in hindsight there have been times where popular collective action has been effective, just never against starting a war AFAIK. When the US decides it wants a war it seems like there's really nothing anyone can do about it. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
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cced 4y ago
You're trying to portray people that joke about war as though they are trying to bring a thoughtful discussion. They aren't and you aren't being helpful by muddying the discussion by presenting them as such. These are reddit quality comments that don't belong here.
- galactus 4y ago
  I think the target of the jokes is the hypocrisy of the ghouls behind those wars, who insist they are about freedom and democracy. No one is laughing at the suffering of the victims.

You can't fix the problem by not talking about it. It wasn't an unfortunate natural disaster.

by comboy 4y ago

You can't fix the problem by not talking about it. It wasn't an unfortunate natural disaster.

You can't fix the problem, period, certainly not by talking about it. The internet offers catharsis, not praxis. Americans have no more ability to affect their government's imperial capitalist agenda than they do to command the tides, others outside of the US even less so.

comboy 4y ago
I disagree. I think you are close to the truth, but Iraq war was not seen in a very negative light by US citizens, or people in EU for that matter. Which was what media pushed. But people can think on their own. Somebody in the thread may want to argue that the war was a good or necessary thing, somebody will say otherwise and maybe the first one will check Wikipedia, and learn new facts that may change his mind in the future. Bit idealistic, but if each person can make 2 people more educated, the we have an exponential function.
- beebeepka 4y ago
  What? Only the most disgusting racists were "ok" with the invasion of Iraq, for the sole reason it made brown muslims people hurt
  - alluro2 4y ago
    All polls closely prior to the attack on Iraq show 55-67% US public support. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United...
    - beebeepka 4y ago
      Not sure what made you think I was talking about how the US felt about it. They obviously loved it very much. As luck would have it, the US became net exporter just a few years after the conquest
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - panick21_ 4y ago
      A very large part of this is because of literally outright lies about how Iraq was connected to 9/11. The administration knew that this was the only way they could convince anybody. The hardest part of my job is connecting Iraq to 9/11 - Bush
- krapp 4y ago
  > but Iraq war was not seen in a very negative light by US citizens, or people in EU for that matter. Millions of Americans protested the Iraq war[0]. Globally it resulted in the largest protests in the world at that time. It didn't matter. Of course you're correct about the zeitgeist of the US at the time, the government, the media and the American right were pro-war and they controlled the narrative. And I have to concede in hindsight there have been times where popular collective action has been effective, just never against starting a war AFAIK. When the US decides it wants a war it seems like there's really nothing anyone can do about it. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
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cced 4y ago

You're trying to portray people that joke about war as though they are trying to bring a thoughtful discussion. They aren't and you aren't being helpful by muddying the discussion by presenting them as such. These are reddit quality comments that don't belong here.

galactus 4y ago
I think the target of the jokes is the hypocrisy of the ghouls behind those wars, who insist they are about freedom and democracy. No one is laughing at the suffering of the victims.