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> It's just a text editor. I'll never understand comments like this. There's a full Lisp implementation available in there. Other text editors don't come with

> It's just a text editor. I'll never understand comments like this. There's a full Lisp implementation available in there. Other text editors don't come with org-mode, either.

spopejoy 4y ago
As a former elisp package maintainer and emacs bigot ... ... I really just use it as an editor/IDE these days, and couldn't be happier. Emacs is how I learned LISP which forever transformed me as a programmer and I'm grateful. But let's be clear WHY I was doing that: it was horrible as an IDE at the time and I needed it to do the thing. Now, with elpa, great themes, solid modes for every major language, magit etc, it just works. I customize ... via customization. I still have my .emacs (dating myself there) and a few nifty functions I wrote. I maintain a programming language, so pact-mode is still there. The ugly truth there is that it's actually easier to write integrations (for a LISP-like no less!) for VS Code than write a major mode. I miss hacking on emacs but I'm more productive for it.
ColonelPhantom 4y ago
> There's a full Lisp implementation available in there. Okay? Neovim and Lite XL ship with full Lua implementations. VSCode ships with a full JS implementation. Being scriptable is not unique to Emacs. Though I do think the combination of - big ecosystem (missing for Lite) - scripting freedom (missing for VSC, iirc its plugin APIs are kinda limiting) - GUI (neovim) is pretty much unique. A lot of other editors are also extensible, either via scripting or dynamically linking native code. The only reason Org is unique to Emacs is that it's "too large to clone", i.e. it'd be a lot of work. I think a lot of editors could provide the same features with a plugin, given sufficient effort.
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  I think it's 100% clear that Org could exist in several other places if there was a will to implement it. My first target would probably be Obsidian.
IncRnd 4y ago
Most people get a car in order to drive from point A to point B. Not everyone puts a bra, rear-spoiler, fancy wheels, and other customizations on their car. I imagine the people who do those things also wonder why other people don't.
lispm 4y ago
For him it's a text editor, that's how he sees it, since the Lisp underneath is not touched by him. True, some extensive modes written in Lisp by users are a work of art. That's a layer a non-programming-user may not see.

> It's just a text editor. I'll never understand comments like this. There's a full Lisp implementation available in there. Other text editors don't come with org-mode, either.

spopejoy 4y ago

As a former elisp package maintainer and emacs bigot ... ... I really just use it as an editor/IDE these days, and couldn't be happier. Emacs is how I learned LISP which forever transformed me as a programmer and I'm grateful. But let's be clear WHY I was doing that: it was horrible as an IDE at the time and I needed it to do the thing. Now, with elpa, great themes, solid modes for every major language, magit etc, it just works. I customize ... via customization. I still have my .emacs (dating myself there) and a few nifty functions I wrote. I maintain a programming language, so pact-mode is still there. The ugly truth there is that it's actually easier to write integrations (for a LISP-like no less!) for VS Code than write a major mode. I miss hacking on emacs but I'm more productive for it.

ColonelPhantom 4y ago

> There's a full Lisp implementation available in there. Okay? Neovim and Lite XL ship with full Lua implementations. VSCode ships with a full JS implementation. Being scriptable is not unique to Emacs. Though I do think the combination of - big ecosystem (missing for Lite) - scripting freedom (missing for VSC, iirc its plugin APIs are kinda limiting) - GUI (neovim) is pretty much unique. A lot of other editors are also extensible, either via scripting or dynamically linking native code. The only reason Org is unique to Emacs is that it's "too large to clone", i.e. it'd be a lot of work. I think a lot of editors could provide the same features with a plugin, given sufficient effort.

ubermonkey 4y ago
I think it's 100% clear that Org could exist in several other places if there was a will to implement it. My first target would probably be Obsidian.

IncRnd 4y ago

Most people get a car in order to drive from point A to point B. Not everyone puts a bra, rear-spoiler, fancy wheels, and other customizations on their car. I imagine the people who do those things also wonder why other people don't.

lispm 4y ago

For him it's a text editor, that's how he sees it, since the Lisp underneath is not touched by him. True, some extensive modes written in Lisp by users are a work of art. That's a layer a non-programming-user may not see.