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Or Microsoft Office...

by phyalow 4y ago

justinclift 4y ago
Or Linux distro's.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  Or BSD distros.
  - Brian_K_White 4y ago
    These are actually trivial and silly examples. The bulk of really valuable commercial code is not self contained or portable like those. Where is the torrent with a runnable copy of paypal, or amazon?
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      I guess you have never compiled a Linux/BSD distribution from scratch and supported it alongside its infrastructure and lead its maintenance process. Even without that, if you want downloadable and runnable software platforms, look to public Git repositories. Some of the people who have no financial motivation will release what they do alongside installation procedures and quality of life scripts and architecture documentation. Most of the open source platforms doesn't publish this documentation and doesn't make installation easy to keep a sizeable moat and protect the platform they have developed, hence this is why we have a division between "Free Software" and "Open Source". In short, "The bulk of really valuable commercial code" is self contained, but not open source, or if open source it's not Free Software and made deployable for other parties. Otherwise it loses monetary value in the eyes of the people who develop that for the monies. Otherwise we have have Elasticsearch incident, where they pivot and move to "Source Available" model to protect their castle.
      - Brian_K_White 4y ago
        "I guess you have never compiled a Linux/BSD distribution from scratch" You guess, and so perhaps do other things as well, with poor acuity. The incalculable value of open source software has approximately no bearing on this assertion. Yes I love linux and bsd too I'm not defacing your religion. I'm actually quite Stallmanesque in making my own life harder by only using ooen source software as much as possible and being super fun a family gatherings talking about it. You sure nailed that one.
        bayindirh 4y ago
        Nice, it makes us two tech leads then.
    - justinclift 4y ago
      Heh, on that note: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34525936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34525936 Looking down that page, there are some valid magnet links.

Or Microsoft Office...

justinclift 4y ago

Or Linux distro's.

bayindirh 4y ago
Or BSD distros.
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  These are actually trivial and silly examples. The bulk of really valuable commercial code is not self contained or portable like those. Where is the torrent with a runnable copy of paypal, or amazon?
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    I guess you have never compiled a Linux/BSD distribution from scratch and supported it alongside its infrastructure and lead its maintenance process. Even without that, if you want downloadable and runnable software platforms, look to public Git repositories. Some of the people who have no financial motivation will release what they do alongside installation procedures and quality of life scripts and architecture documentation. Most of the open source platforms doesn't publish this documentation and doesn't make installation easy to keep a sizeable moat and protect the platform they have developed, hence this is why we have a division between "Free Software" and "Open Source". In short, "The bulk of really valuable commercial code" is self contained, but not open source, or if open source it's not Free Software and made deployable for other parties. Otherwise it loses monetary value in the eyes of the people who develop that for the monies. Otherwise we have have Elasticsearch incident, where they pivot and move to "Source Available" model to protect their castle.
    - Brian_K_White 4y ago
      "I guess you have never compiled a Linux/BSD distribution from scratch" You guess, and so perhaps do other things as well, with poor acuity. The incalculable value of open source software has approximately no bearing on this assertion. Yes I love linux and bsd too I'm not defacing your religion. I'm actually quite Stallmanesque in making my own life harder by only using ooen source software as much as possible and being super fun a family gatherings talking about it. You sure nailed that one.
      - bayindirh 4y ago
        Nice, it makes us two tech leads then.
  - justinclift 4y ago
    Heh, on that note: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34525936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34525936 Looking down that page, there are some valid magnet links.