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> So if you have a negative view of the CCP, then you should have a negative view of Chinese too. I disagree with the (admittedly large) subset of Chinese peop

> So if you have a negative view of the CCP, then you should have a negative view of Chinese too. I disagree with the (admittedly large) subset of Chinese people who support the CCP, but me having a negative view of them as people doesn't follow from that. > It's because the CCP improved the lives of 1.4 billion people and is still improving their lives. GDP per capita went from $317 in 1990 to $12,000+ in 2022. And why would they overthrow the CCP now? I didn't claim that the CCP did nothing good and was all bad. There's clearly far worse alternatives than the CCP. Also, it's not accurate to attribute all of China's current success to the current CCP. A lot of it was the seeds planted thanks to the economic liberalization in the preceding few decades when the CCP was more liberal than it is today. > But if the CCP needs to be overthrown and is no longer working for Chinese people, they will overthrow it. Authoritarian states create mechanisms that make them difficult to overthrow.

senttoschool 4y ago
>I disagree with the (admittedly large) subset of Chinese people who support the CCP, but me having a negative view of them as people doesn't follow from that. That's funny. Chinese people support CCP. Chinese people want CCP to stay in power. CCP is made of Chinese people, and reflects quite a bit of Chinese culture. You want the CCP to go to hell. But you think Chinese people are awesome. Are you just trying to be politically correct? It's ok to say you hate Chinese people and Chinese culture.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  Chinese people are brought up in an environment that tells them to support the CCP and where vocal dissent is punished. Their centrally controlled media ecosystem is rigged against them being able to think and speak clearly on this issue. They have been the primary victims of the CCP since its inception. Also, Chinese people aren't a monolith. If you sorted Chinese people by how jingoistic they are I would probably dislike the top 10-20% or so on that basis but that doesn't generalize to every Chinese person, even those that tow the socially expected line of "supporting" the CCP.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    I’ve lived in China and have friends there. People there aren’t told to love the CCP. They all have gripes about it like any people would have for their government. It’s not like North Korea. They do not want to overthrow it because the country is stable and their lives are improving. You underestimate the power the people have over the government. When Chinese are pissed off, they will go on the streets and protest and demand changes. Just check the riots over banks and real estate there recently. And why does the CCP want Taiwan back? It’s because their people demand Taiwan back. I find it hilarious when people say they love Chinese people but hate the CCP. Either they’re disingenuous because they dislike both or they don’t understand China.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      The CCP will allow a certain level of protest as a release valve but to extend that to the claim that the people can just casually "overthrow" an authoritarian state when push comes to shove is not right. If it reached a boiling point the tanks would roll out and the protesters would be killed or imprisoned. > I’ve lived in China and have friends there. People there aren’t told to love the CCP. Again, managed dissent. The real dissenters are in prison or worse. > It’s not like North Korea. I already said there's worse alternatives than the CCP. That doesn't absolve it from being an authoritarian dictatorship. > I find it hilarious when people say they love Chinese people but hate the CCP. Either they’re disingenuous because they dislike both or they don’t understand China. I already explained this to you, so either you are being disingenuous or you are determined to have a monologue. I am ending it here because this is a low value conversation.
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        Have you ever been to China? Where do you get your news source?

senttoschool 4y ago

>I disagree with the (admittedly large) subset of Chinese people who support the CCP, but me having a negative view of them as people doesn't follow from that. That's funny. Chinese people support CCP. Chinese people want CCP to stay in power. CCP is made of Chinese people, and reflects quite a bit of Chinese culture. You want the CCP to go to hell. But you think Chinese people are awesome. Are you just trying to be politically correct? It's ok to say you hate Chinese people and Chinese culture.

hackerlight 4y ago
Chinese people are brought up in an environment that tells them to support the CCP and where vocal dissent is punished. Their centrally controlled media ecosystem is rigged against them being able to think and speak clearly on this issue. They have been the primary victims of the CCP since its inception. Also, Chinese people aren't a monolith. If you sorted Chinese people by how jingoistic they are I would probably dislike the top 10-20% or so on that basis but that doesn't generalize to every Chinese person, even those that tow the socially expected line of "supporting" the CCP.
- senttoschool 4y ago
  I’ve lived in China and have friends there. People there aren’t told to love the CCP. They all have gripes about it like any people would have for their government. It’s not like North Korea. They do not want to overthrow it because the country is stable and their lives are improving. You underestimate the power the people have over the government. When Chinese are pissed off, they will go on the streets and protest and demand changes. Just check the riots over banks and real estate there recently. And why does the CCP want Taiwan back? It’s because their people demand Taiwan back. I find it hilarious when people say they love Chinese people but hate the CCP. Either they’re disingenuous because they dislike both or they don’t understand China.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    The CCP will allow a certain level of protest as a release valve but to extend that to the claim that the people can just casually "overthrow" an authoritarian state when push comes to shove is not right. If it reached a boiling point the tanks would roll out and the protesters would be killed or imprisoned. > I’ve lived in China and have friends there. People there aren’t told to love the CCP. Again, managed dissent. The real dissenters are in prison or worse. > It’s not like North Korea. I already said there's worse alternatives than the CCP. That doesn't absolve it from being an authoritarian dictatorship. > I find it hilarious when people say they love Chinese people but hate the CCP. Either they’re disingenuous because they dislike both or they don’t understand China. I already explained this to you, so either you are being disingenuous or you are determined to have a monologue. I am ending it here because this is a low value conversation.
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      Have you ever been to China? Where do you get your news source?