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>Most people don’t care. How do you know this? >They don’t care if Amazon, Facebook, and Google know what they are doing online. They opt in to tracking by jo

>Most people don’t care. How do you know this? >They don’t care if Amazon, Facebook, and Google know what they are doing online. They opt in to tracking by joining loyalty programs to save a few bucks. Privacy is just not a concern most people have. I disagree. Most people have no idea what's going on behind the curtain.

creato 4y ago
I know what’s going on, I just don’t care that much. I’m not going to claim to speak for most people, but neither should you.
- Nicksil 4y ago
  >I know what’s going on, I just don’t care that much. I’m not going to claim to speak for most people, but neither should you. No I'm pretty confident that the majority of people don't know what's going on because why would they?
imiric 4y ago
> How do you know this? Not based on scientific evidence, but we can infer this from several facts: - The massive user bases of social media platforms. If most people cared, or were even aware of what's going on, they would choose not to consent to give up their personal data in exchange of using the service. Yet clearly they value the service over their privacy. - Blind acceptance of cookie consent forms. Even with all the publicity around cookies and tracking on the web, if you've ever shoulder surfed a non-technical person, you'd notice that they blindly dismiss any consent forms by accepting the terms. There's a reason why most websites use dark design patterns on these: they work. - Anecdata: if you've ever tried educating a social media user about privacy concerns, you'd be familiar with several dismissals: "I just log in occasionally for <minor use case>", the popular "I have nothing to hide", and flat out "I don't care". I've heard these both from non-technical and educated, smart and technically literate people. After many years of making an effort here, I've yet to convince a single person to change their habits, let alone abandon these services, and I'm still perceived as a radical technophobe.
- danaris 4y ago
  > If most people cared, or were even aware of what's going on You contradict yourself here. Not being aware makes it impossible to measure whether they care.
  - imiric 4y ago
    That's true. Like I said, my comment is based on personal experience, and I don't have any hard data to confirm it. Looking for studies just now, these are interesting: - https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-and-privacy-concerned-confused-and-feeling-lack-of-control-over-their-personal-information/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an... - https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2019/03/labs-survey-finds-privacy-concerns-distrust-of-social-media-rampant-with-all-age-groups https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2019/03/labs-survey-f... So most people seem to "care", but apparently not enough to change their usage habits, or they feel powerless and lack the technical skills to protect themselves. So it could be a matter of education after all, but _most_ of the people I've talked about this, stop me much earlier than we get to the point of discussing what they can do about it.

creato 4y ago

I know what’s going on, I just don’t care that much. I’m not going to claim to speak for most people, but neither should you.

Nicksil 4y ago
>I know what’s going on, I just don’t care that much. I’m not going to claim to speak for most people, but neither should you. No I'm pretty confident that the majority of people don't know what's going on because why would they?

imiric 4y ago

> How do you know this? Not based on scientific evidence, but we can infer this from several facts: - The massive user bases of social media platforms. If most people cared, or were even aware of what's going on, they would choose not to consent to give up their personal data in exchange of using the service. Yet clearly they value the service over their privacy. - Blind acceptance of cookie consent forms. Even with all the publicity around cookies and tracking on the web, if you've ever shoulder surfed a non-technical person, you'd notice that they blindly dismiss any consent forms by accepting the terms. There's a reason why most websites use dark design patterns on these: they work. - Anecdata: if you've ever tried educating a social media user about privacy concerns, you'd be familiar with several dismissals: "I just log in occasionally for <minor use case>", the popular "I have nothing to hide", and flat out "I don't care". I've heard these both from non-technical and educated, smart and technically literate people. After many years of making an effort here, I've yet to convince a single person to change their habits, let alone abandon these services, and I'm still perceived as a radical technophobe.

danaris 4y ago
> If most people cared, or were even aware of what's going on You contradict yourself here. Not being aware makes it impossible to measure whether they care.
- imiric 4y ago
  That's true. Like I said, my comment is based on personal experience, and I don't have any hard data to confirm it. Looking for studies just now, these are interesting: - https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-and-privacy-concerned-confused-and-feeling-lack-of-control-over-their-personal-information/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an... - https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2019/03/labs-survey-finds-privacy-concerns-distrust-of-social-media-rampant-with-all-age-groups https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2019/03/labs-survey-f... So most people seem to "care", but apparently not enough to change their usage habits, or they feel powerless and lack the technical skills to protect themselves. So it could be a matter of education after all, but _most_ of the people I've talked about this, stop me much earlier than we get to the point of discussing what they can do about it.