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My expectation is that people will gradually move away from whole dating and marriage business. Families will collapse, number of children per person would be <

My expectation is that people will gradually move away from whole dating and marriage business. Families will collapse, number of children per person would be < 1. Same as Japan. Alternatives for entertainment and engagement are far more plentiful and cheaper in time as well as money investment. Young people trying for relationships now frequently experience betrayals as people jump around to find "better" match at every opportunity. The victims on other side often decide it to be cognitively too burdensome to keep trying. Divorce laws are huge negatives and discouragement from financial perspective to middle class youth desperate for financial independence. I think the culture is moving generally towards women who is independent, who selects mates from top 10%, keeps relationship with mate during early stages of raising child and eventually moves on with her independent life possibly with new partners. No marriages involved and top 10% of males don't really have to "date".

rjbwork 4y ago
>I think the culture is moving generally towards women who is independent, who selects mates from top 10%, keeps relationship with mate during early stages of raising child and eventually moves on with her independent life possibly with new partners. No marriages involved and top 10% of males don't really have to "date". As we know, history shows us that societies in which the bulk of young men have no prospects for marriage and families are stable and healthy. /s
- Ekaros 4y ago
  I suppose this time there might be enough distractions for sufficient number of them. And small enough minority end up doing drastic things. It might not actually take that much to keep them distracted, if there is enough food, drugs and easy entertainment.
  - rjbwork 4y ago
    Well, we already are seeing the effects of a lot of this. There is a significant chunk of these dudes who are turning to perpetrating mass casualty events as a form of murder-suicide. Their motivations are myriad, but a common thread is very often an inability to find a mate and a disdain for the society they believe is the cause for it.
midoridensha 4y ago
My prediction is that governments are going to figure out that they have a stark choice ahead of them, because most people simply don't want to have a lot of kids, and because of this, there is simply no way to get the birthrate to replacement level by offering tax breaks and other such incentives. Couples will simply take the tax breaks for 1-2 kids (sometimes 3, in rare cases) when they can, and that's it. When averaged across the whole society, which includes couples who don't have kids (because they can't, or don't want to), and people who never find a partner they want to have kids with, the birthrate will simply be too low. So governments will find themselves faced with a choice: either force people to have more children, or do something different. Forcing citizens to have kids isn't going to work, even in places like China, much less democracies. So the solution will be to outsource reproduction to government-run factories, where children will be artificially conceived, and then raised in institutions.

rjbwork 4y ago

>I think the culture is moving generally towards women who is independent, who selects mates from top 10%, keeps relationship with mate during early stages of raising child and eventually moves on with her independent life possibly with new partners. No marriages involved and top 10% of males don't really have to "date". As we know, history shows us that societies in which the bulk of young men have no prospects for marriage and families are stable and healthy. /s

Ekaros 4y ago
I suppose this time there might be enough distractions for sufficient number of them. And small enough minority end up doing drastic things. It might not actually take that much to keep them distracted, if there is enough food, drugs and easy entertainment.
- rjbwork 4y ago
  Well, we already are seeing the effects of a lot of this. There is a significant chunk of these dudes who are turning to perpetrating mass casualty events as a form of murder-suicide. Their motivations are myriad, but a common thread is very often an inability to find a mate and a disdain for the society they believe is the cause for it.

midoridensha 4y ago

My prediction is that governments are going to figure out that they have a stark choice ahead of them, because most people simply don't want to have a lot of kids, and because of this, there is simply no way to get the birthrate to replacement level by offering tax breaks and other such incentives. Couples will simply take the tax breaks for 1-2 kids (sometimes 3, in rare cases) when they can, and that's it. When averaged across the whole society, which includes couples who don't have kids (because they can't, or don't want to), and people who never find a partner they want to have kids with, the birthrate will simply be too low. So governments will find themselves faced with a choice: either force people to have more children, or do something different. Forcing citizens to have kids isn't going to work, even in places like China, much less democracies. So the solution will be to outsource reproduction to government-run factories, where children will be artificially conceived, and then raised in institutions.