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It would start at only scanning content that was going to be uploaded to iCloud. There's literally nothing stopping the process from scanning all images whether

It would start at only scanning content that was going to be uploaded to iCloud. There's literally nothing stopping the process from scanning all images whether they're going to be uploaded to iCloud or not. Such an expansion would use the exact same justification as the iCloud-bound content scanning. It's a slippery slope that ends up with your phone/computer snooping on texts, call contents, or anything else and then submitting your "crimes" to the authorities.

jodrellblank 4y ago
They could have designed it to do that in the first place, and not announced it at all just hid it away in a point release. They didn't. > "Such an expansion would use the exact same justification as the iCloud-bound content scanning." One of the justifications was that Apple are/could be legally responsible for criminal images hosted on their servers, that exact same justification wouldn't apply to offline content scanning. > "It's a slippery slope that ends up with your phone/computer snooping on texts, call contents, or anything else and then submitting your "crimes" to the authorities." Not "crimes" in quotes, crimes without quotes. Generally people think law enforcement is important, especially regarding crimes against children. "A slippery slope" which leads criminals being punished is not the argument winning logical fallacy you think it is. The argument against it is around invasion of privacy, rights not to self-incriminate or to remain silent, ownership of device and software, freedom from unreasonable search without prior evidence, whether you can be found guilty by algorithm, et al.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  > Not "crimes" in quotes, crimes without quotes. Generally people think law enforcement is important, especially regarding crimes against children. "A slippery slope" which leads criminals being punished is not the argument winning logical fallacy you think it is. You're missing my point. Content scanning will start with the Four Horsemen of the Infopocalypse[0]. Then it'll move on to "crimes" like blogging about a public figure[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp... [1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1316/BillText/Filed/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1316/BillText/Fil...

jodrellblank 4y ago

They could have designed it to do that in the first place, and not announced it at all just hid it away in a point release. They didn't. > "Such an expansion would use the exact same justification as the iCloud-bound content scanning." One of the justifications was that Apple are/could be legally responsible for criminal images hosted on their servers, that exact same justification wouldn't apply to offline content scanning. > "It's a slippery slope that ends up with your phone/computer snooping on texts, call contents, or anything else and then submitting your "crimes" to the authorities." Not "crimes" in quotes, crimes without quotes. Generally people think law enforcement is important, especially regarding crimes against children. "A slippery slope" which leads criminals being punished is not the argument winning logical fallacy you think it is. The argument against it is around invasion of privacy, rights not to self-incriminate or to remain silent, ownership of device and software, freedom from unreasonable search without prior evidence, whether you can be found guilty by algorithm, et al.

giantrobot 4y ago
> Not "crimes" in quotes, crimes without quotes. Generally people think law enforcement is important, especially regarding crimes against children. "A slippery slope" which leads criminals being punished is not the argument winning logical fallacy you think it is. You're missing my point. Content scanning will start with the Four Horsemen of the Infopocalypse[0]. Then it'll move on to "crimes" like blogging about a public figure[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp... [1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1316/BillText/Filed/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1316/BillText/Fil...