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USB-IF does do their job, quite well. It's the authoritarian mindset, it's Apple-istic to demand there be some strict top-down system demanding compliance, col

USB-IF does do their job, quite well. It's the authoritarian mindset, it's Apple-istic to demand there be some strict top-down system demanding compliance, collecting money, and relentlessly pursuing everyone else legally. So USB-IF certification is not required. There are a variety of cables out there, of various quality, huge numbers uncertified but also more than adequate. Few even sub-par cables pose real risk. With the safeguards USB has builtin risk is tiny. I would greatly doubt the cable was a cofactor in even 2% of these 150 house fires/year. In return, we get the benefit of much cheaper cables, that folks do review quite heavily. We also get really interesting & really useful non-compliant products, that I make use of & enjoy regularly: tiny little usb-a to usb-c female adapters[1] that are out of spec because you could concievably make a nonsense circuit & injure a product, but which are again wildly useful. Building this world where authority & control are wired in everywhere, where we use the state & the legal system to hunt down & enforce folks on a narrow prescribed track sounds awful. There are some shitty shitty products folks can run into- yes- but mostly we're already well protected, and the market pretty quickly identifies the truly wretched; thr trade-off here, to allow an open world versus insisting on control, seems apparent to me, and those folks with the desire to use certified gear will be in great hands with usb-if gear (the idea that apple certification is "more safe" seems like a joke to me). I fail to see the case for adversarialism, that you seem to clutch for.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
> USB-IF does do their job, quite well. > It's the authoritarian mindset, it's Apple-istic to demand there be some strict top-down system demanding compliance, collecting money, and relentlessly pursuing everyone else legally. A manufacturer that makes its devices refuse to work with products that do not comply with _standards_, set by an organisation that defines them, but refuses to enforce them, is now authoritarian. > Building this world where authority & control are wired in everywhere, where we use the state & the legal system to hunt down & enforce folks on a narrow prescribed track sounds awful. This is already happening, market and nation wide, and I'm glad it does. This is not an Apple thing. There must be some control and enforcement over safety and functional standards. If you want your house to be in good standing with the state, you cannot use any sort of electricity cable for in-wall installations, or any sort of pipes for your drinking water. You could always leave if you don't agree with these rules, as you could choose not to buy Apple too. Another point is that the market does not self regulate. That's the same stupid idea that has been disproven so many times, I'm surprised any sane person would still believe in it. Markets care more about efficiency at making money, than safety. There are countless examples of large companies weighting between safety and profits, and they choose profits every single time, because for most, in the long run, is worth it. But overall, your position is not that of the common folk anyway. You talk about reviewers, and markets, and insist that nothing is a "risk", even when it is your belief against actual recall numbers. Maybe you should ask yourself if most people who buy their charging cables at gas stations are doing their "own research".

manuelabeledo 4y ago

> USB-IF does do their job, quite well. > It's the authoritarian mindset, it's Apple-istic to demand there be some strict top-down system demanding compliance, collecting money, and relentlessly pursuing everyone else legally. A manufacturer that makes its devices refuse to work with products that do not comply with _standards_, set by an organisation that defines them, but refuses to enforce them, is now authoritarian. > Building this world where authority & control are wired in everywhere, where we use the state & the legal system to hunt down & enforce folks on a narrow prescribed track sounds awful. This is already happening, market and nation wide, and I'm glad it does. This is not an Apple thing. There must be some control and enforcement over safety and functional standards. If you want your house to be in good standing with the state, you cannot use any sort of electricity cable for in-wall installations, or any sort of pipes for your drinking water. You could always leave if you don't agree with these rules, as you could choose not to buy Apple too. Another point is that the market does not self regulate. That's the same stupid idea that has been disproven so many times, I'm surprised any sane person would still believe in it. Markets care more about efficiency at making money, than safety. There are countless examples of large companies weighting between safety and profits, and they choose profits every single time, because for most, in the long run, is worth it. But overall, your position is not that of the common folk anyway. You talk about reviewers, and markets, and insist that nothing is a "risk", even when it is your belief against actual recall numbers. Maybe you should ask yourself if most people who buy their charging cables at gas stations are doing their "own research".