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As a Hispanic American, I very regularly tell people I am Latino and that Latinx is incredibly offensive to my heritage. I'm in my 30s and the younger people I
by freitzkriesler2 4y ago
As a Hispanic American, I very regularly tell people I am Latino and that Latinx is incredibly offensive to my heritage. I'm in my 30s and the younger people I know also find it offensive.
- QuercusMax 4y ago[flagged]
- oaththrowaway 4y agoWhite people colonizing another language to virtue signal isn't inflammatory to you?
- QuercusMax 4y agoAs others have said in this thread, it wasn't created by white people. That's why I'm saying this is inflammatory.
- oaththrowaway 4y agoRegardless of who created it, I've never seen a non-white person use it. My wife is Hispanic, and it has been offensive to her and her family.
- QuercusMax 4y agoBut why is it so offensive? All I see is knee-jerk reactions giving supposed racist motives to the term, when it's been established that this term originated with native Spanish speakers! I personally think that choosing 'x' was a poor choice, and it's basically unpronounceable by everyone in both Spanish and English. But making up supposed racist origins is a bit much.
- blahblah1234567 4y ago[flagged]
- marcus0x62 4y ago> All I see is knee-jerk reactions giving supposed racist motives to the term, when it's been established that this term originated with native Spanish speakers! Do you have a credible source for this claim? All I’ve ever seen are vague assertions it originated “organically” in the early 2000s.
- freitzkriesler2 4y agoBS its origins are unknown. You have no idea who made it.
- wonderwonder 4y agoHow would you feel if people of another race, especially one that has historically oppressed yours decided they knew better than you and decided to change the rules as to how you were referred and if you objected told you it was for your protection?
- dragonwriter 4y agoLatine and LatinX don't come from “people of a different race” than those it applies to (even without considering the artificial race/ethnicity distinction.)
- wonderwonder 4y agoDoes it really matter? If the majority of latin people don't like it, then why force it on them?
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Does it really matter? Insofar as people are repeating the false origin as if it matters, apparently.
- wonderwonder 4y agoThere is no proof to the origin of the term. Your claim that it was invented by Latin Americans is as solid as mine that it was a white construct. Either way I have never seen it used by anyone besides DEI types and academic white people
- freitzkriesler2 4y agoFar from it, the term disregards the history and linguistic heritage of my mother tongue for the sensibilities of white people, who for whatever reason have problems accepting feminine and masculine word pronunciations. Just because white people like rewriting their history and language doesn't mean they have a right to rewrite mine. If you find that inflammatory or offensive, now you know how I feel.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Far from it, the term disregards the history and linguistic heritage of my mother tongue for the sensibilities of white people It was created by native apeakers of your mother tongue, as a conscious rejection of the way they saw it—their mother tongue—as erasing, or at least obstructing communication of, their gender identity.
- Tade0 4y agoWho said these people represented the general Spanish-speaking population?
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Who said these people represented the general Spanish-speaking population? That's a very good question. Since you appear to be arguing against that strawman, tell us, who said that? EDIT: My point is, if we can acknowledge that, like Hispanic and Latino and Latino/Latina (each of which are strongly objected to by some in the community, preferred by others, and tolerated but neither preferred nor objected to by others when talking about the broader group inclusively) these are preferred identity labels of part of the community which is being addressed, we can then talk about how to address a community with internal divisions over preferred identity label, when one specifically wants to address the whole group and not just those who favor a particular label. But we can’t even get to that point as long as we pretend that this is just an external imposition unconnected to preferences expressed within the population described.
- bl_valance 4y agoOur language doesn't need fixing, that's just the way it is. This whole latinx is literal cultural imperialism. It's not about not understanding the meaning of using these terms, it's the fact that it suggests that our entire language should be changed to be more "inclusive".
- QuercusMax 4y ago[flagged]
- wonderwonder 4y agoIs it being updated in Latin America or is it being force updated in the United States?
- bl_valance 4y agoYou clearly don't understand how the language works. Let me give you an example. "The latinx" "La/El latinx", where La(F) -> '-a' and El(M) for '-o', how do you replace that? Everything is gendered and this is not restricted to just Spanish. Americans can continue to use latinx, fine, but don't impose that onto natives because that just doesn't make sense in their native language. And saying, "we need to educate the older generation" is arrogant and disrespectful, we understand it quite well.
- phlakaton 4y agoSeems to me the retort there is, "Assuming this is a problem with old people is ageist."
- bradleyjg 4y agoThere’s nothing more prescriptivist than a term propagated entirely by HR fiat.
- convolvatron 4y agomaybe instead of arguing about what non-gendered term we should call this group of people we should instead admit that 'latino' is a projection onto a wide variety of people that have different cultural backgrounds but roughly share a language and sometimes a skin tone.
- ilyt 4y agoOr maybe we should tell people who started latinx garbage and started the arguing to fuck off and > we should instead admit that 'latino' is a projection onto a wide variety of people that have different cultural backgrounds but roughly share a language and sometimes a skin tone. instead of inventing more names to divide people by, just... not ?
- convolvatron 4y agoI guess I should go back to referring to all people from SE Asia as Chinese since my American friends are just too lazy and dismissive to bother with people's actual nationality and prefer broad and vague terms for the other.
- ilyt 4y agoYou could just call them asians as is widely accepted since forever. There is nothing wrong with using more generic term if you don't know exact nationality of the person.
- autodev1 4y agoI go by XatinXox, personally. And I expect people to call me that before I even inform them of what I am called. They should just know.
- mock-possum 4y agoI think you're joking, but 'Xicanx' is a real neologism in the same realm as Latinx.
- mcguire 4y agoOut of curiosity, more or less offensive than referring to you as Latina?
- freitzkriesler2 4y agoIf it's blissful ignorance where someone doesn't know the how gendered pronouns work, that's not a problem. If it's someone who is intentionally adding an X to the end because of some perceived gender nonsense, then that's offensive.