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> Requiring that companies put snooping software on their device is basically the thought police. There is already snooping software on most company devices: M

> Requiring that companies put snooping software on their device is basically the thought police. There is already snooping software on most company devices: Microsoft software and Google software and the Western internet. It's already snooping on everybody for the government (through at the very least NSA). It already makes sure the traffic is (hopefully/maybe) only encrypted for everybody else. This goes for the EU as well. Most Western countries legalized and extended what Snowden revealed about government surveillance. It's already being used in a dragnet surveillance thought police type of way for decades. At least no doubt in my mind. Call me paranoid, don't care.

junipertea 4y ago
I definitely agree surveillance is happening and I don't mean to do a whataboutism, but why such emphasis on Western internet? Are you implying this does not happen elsewhere? If we take a counterpoint to West, India and China both have significant surveillance of their citizen and they account for the other third of the world population. Let's just agree it's a problem everywhere?
- CyanBird 4y ago
  > Let's just agree it's a problem everywhere? Let's just not, because the ones carrying the baton of "liberty" are the ones that ought be measured by that same stick China or other countries do not fall on the hypocrisy of saying that your info won't be part of the dragnet, this is not the case with said western govs which then proceed to decry the evil non-western countries for doing the exact same thing and expecting their populations to somehow do something about it¿? ¿? ¿ It is indeed nauseating
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Let's just agree it's a problem everywhere? In some places they say you are free and have rights, but you don't. In other places you know you don't have certain rights and act accordingly, because people are not stupid, if they know there's a potential danger ahead, they become more cautious (or they carefully comply, because there are no alternatives). I would say the first group of counties is more dangerous, because it gives people a false sense of security, lowering their natural defenses, while corporations profit from knowing everything about them, things they said they should never have had access to in the first place, because you have rights, right?
- redeeman 4y ago
  because king pooh doesnt spent disgusting amounts of efforts talking about how china is a shiny beacon of light for freedom, how "we are NEVER gonna be like THEM", "that doesnt happen here". the west talks big, but in reality western countries are the biggest slimiest dirtiest hypocrites the world has ever known

junipertea 4y ago

I definitely agree surveillance is happening and I don't mean to do a whataboutism, but why such emphasis on Western internet? Are you implying this does not happen elsewhere? If we take a counterpoint to West, India and China both have significant surveillance of their citizen and they account for the other third of the world population. Let's just agree it's a problem everywhere?

CyanBird 4y ago
> Let's just agree it's a problem everywhere? Let's just not, because the ones carrying the baton of "liberty" are the ones that ought be measured by that same stick China or other countries do not fall on the hypocrisy of saying that your info won't be part of the dragnet, this is not the case with said western govs which then proceed to decry the evil non-western countries for doing the exact same thing and expecting their populations to somehow do something about it¿? ¿? ¿ It is indeed nauseating
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Let's just agree it's a problem everywhere? In some places they say you are free and have rights, but you don't. In other places you know you don't have certain rights and act accordingly, because people are not stupid, if they know there's a potential danger ahead, they become more cautious (or they carefully comply, because there are no alternatives). I would say the first group of counties is more dangerous, because it gives people a false sense of security, lowering their natural defenses, while corporations profit from knowing everything about them, things they said they should never have had access to in the first place, because you have rights, right?
redeeman 4y ago
because king pooh doesnt spent disgusting amounts of efforts talking about how china is a shiny beacon of light for freedom, how "we are NEVER gonna be like THEM", "that doesnt happen here". the west talks big, but in reality western countries are the biggest slimiest dirtiest hypocrites the world has ever known