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You know, I used to think George Orwell's 1984 was fanciful, but then I saw our governments and media do it all the time, including in current and past conflict

by EGreg 4y ago

You know, I used to think George Orwell's 1984 was fanciful, but then I saw our governments and media do it all the time, including in current and past conflicts: Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsnYJPqLSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsnYJPqLSI Afghanistan: https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/213722 https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/how-jimmy-carter-... Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today? Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

rootusrootus 4y ago
I can't watch videos from where I'm at, so I'm curious about the Ukraine claim. Am I supposed to believe that Russia did not in fact invade Ukraine? It's all just a bit of propaganda? Or are you claiming that we somehow convinced them it was a great idea and thus it is somehow our fault they decided to roll those tanks?
- EGreg 4y ago
  It’s basically a video where the BBC claims the exact opposite of what they were reporting before, and denies the very things they repeatedly said before, until the UK government got actively involved and influenced them to change their narrative: 2014 BBC for example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY During 2014 Maidan revolution: “There are far right neo nazis in Ukraine, they are the most organized and active part of the revolution, here is a whole documentary about that where we go interview them about their goals.” 2017, 2018, 2019: “Paramilitary groups like Azov and Dnipro etc. contain many far-right nationalist fighters, about 20% admit to holding neo nazi beliefs”: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-07-09/ty-article/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine/0000017f-e080-d7b2-a77f-e3870e1c0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-07-09/ty-article/ri... And then 2022: “Azov has hardly any far right, they are in fact just a part of the official armed forces of Ukraine, and it is the Russians committing all the atrocities in battle”: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-61205685 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-61205685 I am sure there is truth on all sides but certainly a wide gulf between what they reported then and now. Here in USA, Trump supporters could also believe new Trump and even though he contradicted old Trump totally. Trump on video side by side: https://youtu.be/zitZGDJcHAU https://youtu.be/zitZGDJcHAU People just get fervor and overlook that stuff

by EGreg 4y ago

rootusrootus 4y ago

I can't watch videos from where I'm at, so I'm curious about the Ukraine claim. Am I supposed to believe that Russia did not in fact invade Ukraine? It's all just a bit of propaganda? Or are you claiming that we somehow convinced them it was a great idea and thus it is somehow our fault they decided to roll those tanks?

EGreg 4y ago
It’s basically a video where the BBC claims the exact opposite of what they were reporting before, and denies the very things they repeatedly said before, until the UK government got actively involved and influenced them to change their narrative: 2014 BBC for example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY During 2014 Maidan revolution: “There are far right neo nazis in Ukraine, they are the most organized and active part of the revolution, here is a whole documentary about that where we go interview them about their goals.” 2017, 2018, 2019: “Paramilitary groups like Azov and Dnipro etc. contain many far-right nationalist fighters, about 20% admit to holding neo nazi beliefs”: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-07-09/ty-article/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine/0000017f-e080-d7b2-a77f-e3870e1c0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-07-09/ty-article/ri... And then 2022: “Azov has hardly any far right, they are in fact just a part of the official armed forces of Ukraine, and it is the Russians committing all the atrocities in battle”: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-61205685 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-61205685 I am sure there is truth on all sides but certainly a wide gulf between what they reported then and now. Here in USA, Trump supporters could also believe new Trump and even though he contradicted old Trump totally. Trump on video side by side: https://youtu.be/zitZGDJcHAU https://youtu.be/zitZGDJcHAU People just get fervor and overlook that stuff