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Can news articles/reporters ever quote the actual original court ruling that they use to source their stories? I find it amazingly rare that journalists feel

Can news articles/reporters ever quote the actual original court ruling that they use to source their stories? I find it amazingly rare that journalists feel that they should show people where they get the key finding of their story, and rather lazily present their story as if they were the controlling authority and only source of information. Given how rich the original information is to link to (like, a 200 page PDF ruling), this is a bit of journalistic travesty to leave it out. Compared to how much hearsay they seem to accept as a source in day to day stories, yet go to lengths to name the person's name. And "For more information on this breaking issue, go to KABC.com!" Yeah, thanks a lot for that in-depth reporting! Does anyone know where to find the PDF of this one?

gnicholas 4y ago
Looks like it's here, linked from the NLRB website: https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e
clircle 4y ago
Just another thing that the media does to lower its own reputation.
odensc 4y ago
Agree with your take, but in this case it was pretty easy to find the ruling on Google. Here's the case page [0] and the PDF [1]: [0]: https://www.nlrb.gov/case/03-CA-285671 https://www.nlrb.gov/case/03-CA-285671 [1]: https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e (file download warning)
spacephysics 4y ago
Your first mistake was considering them journalists. Many who create click bait drool are like WIX “developers” calling themselves custom frontend engineers. Even a junior journalist would do something as simple as quote the actual case. Time and time again I see these articles and even basic things are factually incorrect. Even today I think there was a HN post about salesforce layoffs, quoted at 10k when it was 8k, and that wave happened in January when it was written as if there’s another wave coming.
- Oxidation 4y ago
  Much "journalism" isn't journalism at all, it's just content aggregation and maybe a paraphrasing. In the case of anything remotely technical, this will probably also include dumbing down to the point of uselessness, if not outright incorrectness.
giancarlostoro 4y ago
> Can news articles/reporters ever quote the actual original court ruling that they use to source their stories? I wish Google would use Page Rank or whatever to deamplify news stories with few citations. I want to know you've got sources to back up your claims, and then maybe I want to confirm, maybe you had a bad day when you wrote the article, and missquoted, I don't know, but looking at raw sources is how I know if the story is valid or not.
Waterluvian 4y ago
I used to be friends with a whole indictment of lawyers on Twitter and this was a running joke.
Weirdfuture 4y ago
Starbucks Illegally Fired Workers. nico@nico-dev.me I'll send you a parent comment from a hacker news post called "Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules", remember it Okay, I will keep that in mind. nico@nico-dev.me Can news articles/reporters ever quote the actual original court ruling that they use to source their stories? I find it amazingly rare that journalists feel that they should show people where they get the key finding of their story, and rather lazily present their story as if they were the controlling authority and only source of information. Given how rich the original information is to link to (like, a 200 page PDF ruling), this is a bit of journalistic travesty to leave it out. Compared to how much hearsay they seem to accept as a source in day to day stories, yet go to lengths to name the person's name. And "For more information on this breaking issue, go to KABC.com!" Yeah, thanks a lot for that in-depth reporting! Does anyone know where to find the PDF of this one? Thank you for sharing the parent comment from the Hacker News post titled "Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules." It's a valid point that news articles and reporters should provide links to the original court ruling that they use to source their stories. In many cases, news articles do include links to the original source material, such as court rulings or government reports. However, this is not always the case, and it may depend on the news outlet and the specific story. It's important for journalists to cite their sources and provide access to the original material whenever possible. This allows readers to review the source material for themselves and form their own opinions about the story. It also helps to promote transparency and accountability in journalism. As for finding the PDF of the court ruling in this specific case, I recommend checking the website of the court where the ruling was issued. It's also possible that the ruling may be available on websites that provide access to legal documents, such as PACER or CourtListener. nico@nico-dev.me Now write a reply for that parent comment. Make it sounds like what a comment from hacker news sound I completely agree with your point that news articles should include links to the original source material, such as court rulings or government reports. It's frustrating when journalists don't provide this information, and instead present their story as the only authority on the issue. Linking to the original source material is essential for transparency and accountability in journalism, and it allows readers to form their own opinions about the story. It's always better to have access to the full context of the story instead of relying on a reporter's interpretation of events. As for finding the PDF of the court ruling in this case, you might want to check out the website of the court where the ruling was issued, or search for it on legal document websites like PACER or CourtListener. Hopefully, news outlets will start to include links to source material more consistently, so readers can have the full picture.

gnicholas 4y ago

Looks like it's here, linked from the NLRB website: https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e

clircle 4y ago

Just another thing that the media does to lower its own reputation.

odensc 4y ago

Agree with your take, but in this case it was pretty easy to find the ruling on Google. Here's the case page [0] and the PDF [1]: [0]: https://www.nlrb.gov/case/03-CA-285671 https://www.nlrb.gov/case/03-CA-285671 [1]: https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45839c9e8e (file download warning)

spacephysics 4y ago

Your first mistake was considering them journalists. Many who create click bait drool are like WIX “developers” calling themselves custom frontend engineers. Even a junior journalist would do something as simple as quote the actual case. Time and time again I see these articles and even basic things are factually incorrect. Even today I think there was a HN post about salesforce layoffs, quoted at 10k when it was 8k, and that wave happened in January when it was written as if there’s another wave coming.

Oxidation 4y ago
Much "journalism" isn't journalism at all, it's just content aggregation and maybe a paraphrasing. In the case of anything remotely technical, this will probably also include dumbing down to the point of uselessness, if not outright incorrectness.

giancarlostoro 4y ago

> Can news articles/reporters ever quote the actual original court ruling that they use to source their stories? I wish Google would use Page Rank or whatever to deamplify news stories with few citations. I want to know you've got sources to back up your claims, and then maybe I want to confirm, maybe you had a bad day when you wrote the article, and missquoted, I don't know, but looking at raw sources is how I know if the story is valid or not.

Waterluvian 4y ago

I used to be friends with a whole indictment of lawyers on Twitter and this was a running joke.

Weirdfuture 4y ago

Starbucks Illegally Fired Workers. nico@nico-dev.me I'll send you a parent comment from a hacker news post called "Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules", remember it Okay, I will keep that in mind. nico@nico-dev.me Can news articles/reporters ever quote the actual original court ruling that they use to source their stories? I find it amazingly rare that journalists feel that they should show people where they get the key finding of their story, and rather lazily present their story as if they were the controlling authority and only source of information. Given how rich the original information is to link to (like, a 200 page PDF ruling), this is a bit of journalistic travesty to leave it out. Compared to how much hearsay they seem to accept as a source in day to day stories, yet go to lengths to name the person's name. And "For more information on this breaking issue, go to KABC.com!" Yeah, thanks a lot for that in-depth reporting! Does anyone know where to find the PDF of this one? Thank you for sharing the parent comment from the Hacker News post titled "Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules." It's a valid point that news articles and reporters should provide links to the original court ruling that they use to source their stories. In many cases, news articles do include links to the original source material, such as court rulings or government reports. However, this is not always the case, and it may depend on the news outlet and the specific story. It's important for journalists to cite their sources and provide access to the original material whenever possible. This allows readers to review the source material for themselves and form their own opinions about the story. It also helps to promote transparency and accountability in journalism. As for finding the PDF of the court ruling in this specific case, I recommend checking the website of the court where the ruling was issued. It's also possible that the ruling may be available on websites that provide access to legal documents, such as PACER or CourtListener. nico@nico-dev.me Now write a reply for that parent comment. Make it sounds like what a comment from hacker news sound I completely agree with your point that news articles should include links to the original source material, such as court rulings or government reports. It's frustrating when journalists don't provide this information, and instead present their story as the only authority on the issue. Linking to the original source material is essential for transparency and accountability in journalism, and it allows readers to form their own opinions about the story. It's always better to have access to the full context of the story instead of relying on a reporter's interpretation of events. As for finding the PDF of the court ruling in this case, you might want to check out the website of the court where the ruling was issued, or search for it on legal document websites like PACER or CourtListener. Hopefully, news outlets will start to include links to source material more consistently, so readers can have the full picture.