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What does some random EU bureaucrat know anything about it? The commission is even worse. Most countries just send their loudest/incompetent/etc idiots to get

by shjake 4y ago

What does some random EU bureaucrat know anything about it? The commission is even worse. Most countries just send their loudest/incompetent/etc idiots to get them out of the way for a few years. Just look the commission president…

gambiting 4y ago
At least they are an EU bureaucrat not an American actor. They are paid to make these decisions, whether I agree with them or not. A random American actor is just butting their head in where it doesn't belong. It's like as if Daniel Radcliffe was trying to influence the American congress - even if he had the best intentions in mind, he should still be told to piss off.
- throwaway8689 4y ago
  Shouldn't be a bureaucrat. With an elected official, at least I have the option to vote against them.
  - timeon 4y ago
    Like with positions in government, they are nominated by ruling parties.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Parliament is elected. Comission isn't, like any comission in any country anywhere in the EU(and outside of it you include the UK). If you don't like the comission then make sure your vote for the parliament matters.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      that's a common misconception. Commissioners and the President of commission are appointed (elected) by the Parliament who is in turn elected by the people. Same way the American president is elected by "electors" who are chosen by the parties, which are voted by the people. People only vote directly for the congress in the US. It's the same thing for the European institutions, I don't see the problem here.
      - Aerroon 4y ago
        The people vote in the Parliament. The Parliament decides to build a road. The Parliament appoints Jim to build the road. Is Jim democratically elected? Or does he have some democratic mandate? In most countries this would be corruption. Government projects like that have to go through an open bidding process and even after that Jim would not be considered to have any democratic mandate. The difference between Jim and an EU commissioner is which job he is appointed to. I think in practice the EU commission isn't that bad (so far) - almost all of the people on it are/were big name politicians in their respective countries. I might disagree with a lot of what they have to say, but they did/do represent a sizeable portion of the voters in their country.
        shjake 4y ago
        The EU parliament doesn’t directly appoint the EU government and it can’t propose new legislation. They just approve what’s sent to them.
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > They just approve what’s sent to them. They can say no, the same way electors could vote whoever they like as president of the USA. It doesn't make the POTUS any less an elected figure. p.s. EU single state Parliaments are elected too, they don't come from space.
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > The Parliament appoints Jim to build the road No parliament appoints any Jim to build any road in democratic countries. Jim's company needs to win a regular tender and have to respect a very long list of regulatory and financial requirements. Jim's company is a supplier, commissioners are regulators. Much like in my country (and many others in Europe) ministers are appointed by the Prime Minister who is not elected, but appointed by the parliament, by a majority of the votes. It doesn't make the Prime Minister and all the ministers equal to an average Joe who's been called to fix a squeaking door.
    - shjake 4y ago
      The parliament is a joke. It can propose legislation and most people don’t vote at all during EU elections and those that do rarely take it seriously
      - gambiting 4y ago
        I don't see how that makes it a joke. You have the freedom to vote - whether you exercise that freedom is your choice.
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
We vote them. Might not give the best of results sometimes, but people in Europe go to the ballots and cast a vote to send people there. It's not like the board of Amazon or Elon Musk buying Twitter.
- shjake 4y ago
  You don’t get to vote for the members of the commission they all are appointed. And the parliament is a joke it can’t even propose legislation they just rubber-stamp what’s sent to them by the commission. They also don’t get a say in appointing individual members of the commission only the president. However the current president was probably the most incompetent high ranking politician in Germany so maybe they shouldn’t get a vote on that either… the parliament is just a way for local parties to send away noisy politicians away for a few years by giving them a cushy job or just a place to retire for older popular ones. Hardly anyone in Europe takes it seriously which is reflected in its composition…
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > You don’t get to vote for the members of the commission they all are appointed. That's not how EU works, I know, I worked for them. > They also don’t get a say in appointing individual members of the commission only the president. That's false. Everything is online on the EU website, it's no use to lie about it when everyone can read the original regulation directly from the source. > Hardly anyone in Europe takes it seriously which is reflected in its composition… That's utter bullshit, your misinformation doesn't work here.
unity1001 4y ago
The commission is elected by the European Parliament from among the candidates presented to them. The Euparl is elected directly by the European people with proportional representation.
- shjake 4y ago
  That’s just false… They vote for the president of the commission that’s true. However all the members are appointed by the governments of the member states. The parliament only gets a vote whether to confirm the commission in its entirety. They don’t get a say in picking individual members.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > However all the members are appointed by the governments of the member states Which means that the commission members are already elected by those governments. > The parliament only gets a vote whether to confirm the commission in its entirety The parliament doesnt only vote for that. Every law that passes Eu-wide must be voted on and approved by the parliament. Moreover, any law that comes to the parliament must be proposed by a parliament member.

by shjake 4y ago

gambiting 4y ago

At least they are an EU bureaucrat not an American actor. They are paid to make these decisions, whether I agree with them or not. A random American actor is just butting their head in where it doesn't belong. It's like as if Daniel Radcliffe was trying to influence the American congress - even if he had the best intentions in mind, he should still be told to piss off.

throwaway8689 4y ago
Shouldn't be a bureaucrat. With an elected official, at least I have the option to vote against them.
- timeon 4y ago
  Like with positions in government, they are nominated by ruling parties.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Parliament is elected. Comission isn't, like any comission in any country anywhere in the EU(and outside of it you include the UK). If you don't like the comission then make sure your vote for the parliament matters.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    that's a common misconception. Commissioners and the President of commission are appointed (elected) by the Parliament who is in turn elected by the people. Same way the American president is elected by "electors" who are chosen by the parties, which are voted by the people. People only vote directly for the congress in the US. It's the same thing for the European institutions, I don't see the problem here.
    - Aerroon 4y ago
      The people vote in the Parliament. The Parliament decides to build a road. The Parliament appoints Jim to build the road. Is Jim democratically elected? Or does he have some democratic mandate? In most countries this would be corruption. Government projects like that have to go through an open bidding process and even after that Jim would not be considered to have any democratic mandate. The difference between Jim and an EU commissioner is which job he is appointed to. I think in practice the EU commission isn't that bad (so far) - almost all of the people on it are/were big name politicians in their respective countries. I might disagree with a lot of what they have to say, but they did/do represent a sizeable portion of the voters in their country.
      - shjake 4y ago
        The EU parliament doesn’t directly appoint the EU government and it can’t propose new legislation. They just approve what’s sent to them.
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > They just approve what’s sent to them. They can say no, the same way electors could vote whoever they like as president of the USA. It doesn't make the POTUS any less an elected figure. p.s. EU single state Parliaments are elected too, they don't come from space.
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > The Parliament appoints Jim to build the road No parliament appoints any Jim to build any road in democratic countries. Jim's company needs to win a regular tender and have to respect a very long list of regulatory and financial requirements. Jim's company is a supplier, commissioners are regulators. Much like in my country (and many others in Europe) ministers are appointed by the Prime Minister who is not elected, but appointed by the parliament, by a majority of the votes. It doesn't make the Prime Minister and all the ministers equal to an average Joe who's been called to fix a squeaking door.
  - shjake 4y ago
    The parliament is a joke. It can propose legislation and most people don’t vote at all during EU elections and those that do rarely take it seriously
    - gambiting 4y ago
      I don't see how that makes it a joke. You have the freedom to vote - whether you exercise that freedom is your choice.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

We vote them. Might not give the best of results sometimes, but people in Europe go to the ballots and cast a vote to send people there. It's not like the board of Amazon or Elon Musk buying Twitter.

shjake 4y ago
You don’t get to vote for the members of the commission they all are appointed. And the parliament is a joke it can’t even propose legislation they just rubber-stamp what’s sent to them by the commission. They also don’t get a say in appointing individual members of the commission only the president. However the current president was probably the most incompetent high ranking politician in Germany so maybe they shouldn’t get a vote on that either… the parliament is just a way for local parties to send away noisy politicians away for a few years by giving them a cushy job or just a place to retire for older popular ones. Hardly anyone in Europe takes it seriously which is reflected in its composition…
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > You don’t get to vote for the members of the commission they all are appointed. That's not how EU works, I know, I worked for them. > They also don’t get a say in appointing individual members of the commission only the president. That's false. Everything is online on the EU website, it's no use to lie about it when everyone can read the original regulation directly from the source. > Hardly anyone in Europe takes it seriously which is reflected in its composition… That's utter bullshit, your misinformation doesn't work here.

unity1001 4y ago

The commission is elected by the European Parliament from among the candidates presented to them. The Euparl is elected directly by the European people with proportional representation.

shjake 4y ago
That’s just false… They vote for the president of the commission that’s true. However all the members are appointed by the governments of the member states. The parliament only gets a vote whether to confirm the commission in its entirety. They don’t get a say in picking individual members.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > However all the members are appointed by the governments of the member states Which means that the commission members are already elected by those governments. > The parliament only gets a vote whether to confirm the commission in its entirety The parliament doesnt only vote for that. Every law that passes Eu-wide must be voted on and approved by the parliament. Moreover, any law that comes to the parliament must be proposed by a parliament member.