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> Hiring and firing people who are only seen as "resources" when needed is efficient from a business point of view. 1) To entertain this point, maybe? If your
by cced 4y ago
> Hiring and firing people who are only seen as "resources" when needed is efficient from a business point of view.
1) To entertain this point, maybe? If your optics of the situation was efficiency for the company, but why would you not look at efficiency as a whole and for whom?
As a society, don't you think we should be structuring things such that they are efficient? Is the company that doesn't end up paying for large ecological disasters "efficient" because it offloaded the cost of the cleanup onto the people/government? Sure? But I think society as a whole would benefit from adding resources to maintain infrastructure to prevent these types of ecological problems.
> Hiring and firing people who are only seen as "resources" when needed is efficient from a business point of view.
2) If the companies involved in the current layoffs are, by your definition, "efficient", what would you make of Apple [1] in this situation? Super really efficient? What's their secret sauce? Are the in/efficient because they didn't overly take advantage of the hiring craze? What are the costs associated with engineering layoffs and how are those costs manifested in society?
Line items like headcount on a spreadsheet are easy to quantify, organizational knowledge loss, loss of trust/moral, impacts of layoffs on mental/communal health, are harder to quantify.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34466054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34466054
- scarface74 4y ago> If the companies involved in the current layoffs are, by your definition, "efficient", what would you make of Apple [1] in this situation? Super really efficient? I’m going to first answer that question by speaking about the $BigTech company I know best because I work their and my RSUs are worth half their all time highs - Amazon - and the industry I know best - cloud - because I work at AWS. Amazon Retail thought that the Covid induced online shopping was going to be the new normal and over hired. AWS didn’t really get hit with layoffs (https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/aws-employees-among-latest-round-of-amazon-layoffs-impacting-18000-staff/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/aws-employees-amo...). Azure also didn’t suffer layoffs (https://www.channelfutures.com/business-models/microsoft-lays-off-150-azure-employees-as-part-of-ongoing-workforce-reduction https://www.channelfutures.com/business-models/microsoft-lay...). Google has so many useless money losing products and the attention span of a crack addled flea. No one ever accused Google of being well managed. I can’t speak about GCP. Apple outsources most of the people who build its products. While Apple hasn’t laid off people, the contractors who create its phones who work for Apple for all intents and purposes have laid off people. Facebook now is down to its employment level of a couple of years ago. My moral would be fine if I was working for Facebook [1] for a couple of years at FB salaries. I would have saved more than I already do. And many 2nd tier tech companies aren’t profitable. The easy money ran out. [1] I don’t hate myself enough to work for Facebook.