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> The death of Open Source email, chat and messaging apps? Not if you compile it yourself. Clearly bullish for gentoo and arch users.

hex4def6 4y ago
I'm sorry, it appears your OS image isn't signed. Please submit it to the certification authorities along with the inspection fee of $25,000 to ensure that it complies with all necessary regulations. Computers are going to become more like cell phones with locked bootloaders. TPM is already a mandatory feature thanks to Windows 11.
- supriyo-biswas 4y ago
  Well, conveniently the EU has a proposal for certifying open source projects.
  - throwaway8689 4y ago
    What's the certification fee looking like?
- chongli 4y ago
  Well then we'll build our own computers at home. Sam Zeloof [1], a high school student at the time, demonstrated the possibility years ago. Are they going to outlaw electronics knowledge? At that point we're beyond a dystopian society, we're post-apocalyptic. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@SamZeloof https://www.youtube.com/@SamZeloof
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    > Are they going to outlaw electronics knowledge? No, but they might ban "bespoke" devices.[0] Maybe you're smart and brave enough to build and maintain your own illegal device, but good luck trying to persuade other people to do the same so that you can communicate with them securely online. Also, the government might force ISPs to block access to devices that don't pass remote attestation checks. [0] https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2023/02/my-comment-uk-government-its-proposal-ban-%E2%80%9Cbespoke%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Csophisticated%E2%80%9D-encrypted-phones https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2023/02/my-comment-uk-gov...
    - chongli 4y ago
      If you criminalize encryption then only criminals will have encryption. If that’s what it takes then I’ll gladly be a criminal.
      - redeeman 4y ago
        well i hope you like prison food then
junon 4y ago
Then chip makers will make money selling chips without secure boot. And when those are outlawed, people will start to make their own bootleg chips. This is already starting to happen, it's just in its infancy. They won't be as nice as the current chipmakers but at least they wouldn't be beholden to crazy legal restrictions.

hex4def6 4y ago

I'm sorry, it appears your OS image isn't signed. Please submit it to the certification authorities along with the inspection fee of $25,000 to ensure that it complies with all necessary regulations. Computers are going to become more like cell phones with locked bootloaders. TPM is already a mandatory feature thanks to Windows 11.

supriyo-biswas 4y ago
Well, conveniently the EU has a proposal for certifying open source projects.
- throwaway8689 4y ago
  What's the certification fee looking like?
chongli 4y ago
Well then we'll build our own computers at home. Sam Zeloof [1], a high school student at the time, demonstrated the possibility years ago. Are they going to outlaw electronics knowledge? At that point we're beyond a dystopian society, we're post-apocalyptic. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@SamZeloof https://www.youtube.com/@SamZeloof
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  > Are they going to outlaw electronics knowledge? No, but they might ban "bespoke" devices.[0] Maybe you're smart and brave enough to build and maintain your own illegal device, but good luck trying to persuade other people to do the same so that you can communicate with them securely online. Also, the government might force ISPs to block access to devices that don't pass remote attestation checks. [0] https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2023/02/my-comment-uk-government-its-proposal-ban-%E2%80%9Cbespoke%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Csophisticated%E2%80%9D-encrypted-phones https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2023/02/my-comment-uk-gov...
  - chongli 4y ago
    If you criminalize encryption then only criminals will have encryption. If that’s what it takes then I’ll gladly be a criminal.
    - redeeman 4y ago
      well i hope you like prison food then

junon 4y ago

Then chip makers will make money selling chips without secure boot. And when those are outlawed, people will start to make their own bootleg chips. This is already starting to happen, it's just in its infancy. They won't be as nice as the current chipmakers but at least they wouldn't be beholden to crazy legal restrictions.