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If you are starting to corner the market and are able to use your leverage to block competitors in a way that threatens to undermine their business, then the EU

by iSnow 4y ago

If you are starting to corner the market and are able to use your leverage to block competitors in a way that threatens to undermine their business, then the EU (and to an extend the USA) will regulate you. I can flip your question around and ask "should you have the right to play dirty?". Which is what Apple has been doing, there's exactly zero good reason to not license out access to the protocol. I don't own Apple, I am a consumer. If this leads to me not having to install 5 different chat clients, I am grateful. It was the exact same with all the proprietary charging plugs for smartphones.

kmlx 4y ago
> "should you have the right to play dirty?" is Apple playing dirty in this scenario? and if it is, then what exactly is stopping regulators from improving SMS thus making Apple's position moot?
- iSnow 4y ago
  Regulators can't improve SMS, they aren't tech companies or telcos.
  - kmlx 4y ago
    of course they can. just like they can force tech companies to share their internet based messaging systems.
stevehawk 4y ago
What market have they cornered? They're not even the number one messaging app on the continent that's imposing this rule.
jkubicek 4y ago
> there's exactly zero good reason to not license out access to the protocol. There's at least three good reasons: * Keeping the protocol private is a competitive advantage * Licensing a protocol and managing those licensees is not free * A shared protocol dramatically decreases Apple's ability to innovate on top of that protocol I would argue that it'd be worth while to ignore these issues if Apple was hampering competition in the messaging space, but I just don't see it. I can easily use any messaging app I want on my phone, the only thing stopping me is that iMessage is good enough.
rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
Apple has APIs for iMessage: https://register.apple.com/messages https://register.apple.com/messages You can even build a REST endpoint for Apple to invoke when your business receives a message from a user: https://register.apple.com/resources/messages/msp-rest-api/messages-received#incoming-messages https://register.apple.com/resources/messages/msp-rest-api/m... Where's the playing dirty and undermining businesses part?
- iSnow 4y ago
  Wait, there must be more to it. If this is open to the competition to build on, what exactly is the EU forcing Apple to open up? I'm too lazy to research why exactly Microsoft can't use this API to interface with iMessage and instead opting for a half-baked bluetooth solution, but there must be some hurdle.
dontlaugh 4y ago
Barely anyone has an iPhone, it’s not even remotely close to a monopoly. I would like a practical way to have a single chat app on all my devices, some of which Apple makes.

by iSnow 4y ago

kmlx 4y ago

> "should you have the right to play dirty?" is Apple playing dirty in this scenario? and if it is, then what exactly is stopping regulators from improving SMS thus making Apple's position moot?

iSnow 4y ago
Regulators can't improve SMS, they aren't tech companies or telcos.
- kmlx 4y ago
  of course they can. just like they can force tech companies to share their internet based messaging systems.

stevehawk 4y ago

What market have they cornered? They're not even the number one messaging app on the continent that's imposing this rule.

jkubicek 4y ago

> there's exactly zero good reason to not license out access to the protocol. There's at least three good reasons: * Keeping the protocol private is a competitive advantage * Licensing a protocol and managing those licensees is not free * A shared protocol dramatically decreases Apple's ability to innovate on top of that protocol I would argue that it'd be worth while to ignore these issues if Apple was hampering competition in the messaging space, but I just don't see it. I can easily use any messaging app I want on my phone, the only thing stopping me is that iMessage is good enough.

rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago

Apple has APIs for iMessage: https://register.apple.com/messages https://register.apple.com/messages You can even build a REST endpoint for Apple to invoke when your business receives a message from a user: https://register.apple.com/resources/messages/msp-rest-api/messages-received#incoming-messages https://register.apple.com/resources/messages/msp-rest-api/m... Where's the playing dirty and undermining businesses part?

iSnow 4y ago
Wait, there must be more to it. If this is open to the competition to build on, what exactly is the EU forcing Apple to open up? I'm too lazy to research why exactly Microsoft can't use this API to interface with iMessage and instead opting for a half-baked bluetooth solution, but there must be some hurdle.

dontlaugh 4y ago

Barely anyone has an iPhone, it’s not even remotely close to a monopoly. I would like a practical way to have a single chat app on all my devices, some of which Apple makes.