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> Will it be illegal to somehow disable the client side scanning? If so then how long until you are breaking the law when you turn off the government scanner A

> Will it be illegal to somehow disable the client side scanning? If so then how long until you are breaking the law when you turn off the government scanner And once they've normalized "your computer will spy and inform on you", is there any reason to think that won't expand to things which aren't colloquially "computers" but in fact are now computers? What about "smart houses"? All your IoT toys are computers. Once phones, laptops and PCs as mandatory reporters has been normalized, is there any reason to think all the other microphones and cameras already in people's houses won't become mandatory reporters too? If they make it illegal to disable client-side scanning on computers, might they also make it illegal to remove the crime-detecting cameras in your own home? Modern cars already narc on people, logging and uploading GPS traces that can be fed into police dragnets, just like phones. Cops can ask for a log of who's been inside a 'geofence' and where does that data come from? Phones and cars reporting on their owners, generally without their owners knowing anything about it. The 'slippery slope' isn't actually a fallacy if you have enough datapoints to legitimately draw a trend line. And I think we certainly do.

trompetenaccoun 4y ago
My friend, these are dangerous thoughts! Once we have our wifi-enabled brain interfaces you will get punished for thinking this. Please train yourself to forget about it now before you get in trouble.
- connicpu 4y ago
  But will we be punished for thinking it? Or will the chip simply cut off such trains of thought in the first place? :) "Revolutionary new brain implant improves mental health by suppressing damaging* trains of thought"
  - akomtu 4y ago
    The former, in a couple centuries. Centralized monitoring of common thoughts will be a solved problem, and the means to circumvent it won't be known by many. This ideal oppression machine will last for a few centuries.
  - snerbles 4y ago
    There have already been experiments in altering personal biases and beliefs through transcranial magnetic stimulation [0][1]. Direct electrical stimulation will eventually permit a greater degree of control. > We presented participants with a reminder of death and a critique of their in-group ostensibly written by a member of an out-group, then experimentally decreased both avowed belief in God and out-group derogation by downregulating pMFC activity via transcranial magnetic stimulation. The results provide the first evidence that group prejudice and religious belief are susceptible to targeted neuromodulation, and point to a shared cognitive mechanism underlying concrete and abstract decision processes. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26341901/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26341901/ [1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151014084955.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151014084955.h...
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slickrick216 4y ago
Show us E-papers please
JW_00000 4y ago
Can you provide a source for that last paragraph (the cars uploading GPS traces and cops asking for logs)? I'm interested in knowing more, e.g. which country this happens in, are there any checks and balances, is this constitutional?
- slackdog 4y ago
  In America: Cars logging their location history and police getting that data: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/04/01/these-companies-track-millions-of-cars-immigration-and-border-police-have-been-grabbing-their-data/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/04/01/these... Geofenced dragnets: https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/05/geofence-warrants-and-the-fourth-amendment/ https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/05/geofence-warrants-and-t...
  - est31 4y ago
    Not giving owners (or their lawyers) access to data on what the Autopilot thought: https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/02/26/car-owners-rights-data-access-black-box/4873365002/ https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/02/26/c...
- RedComet 4y ago
  Look into OnStar.
miohtama 4y ago
In Orwell's 1984, the TV was watching you.
- deafpolygon 4y ago
  Worse than that.. the billboards were watching you.
  - Doxin 4y ago
    I mean go look at modern digital billboards, a bunch of 'em have cameras built in.
    - deafpolygon 4y ago
      yeah, it's a bit creepy how on the nose 1984 was. maybe Orwell was a time-traveler.
      - Doxin 4y ago
        I remember talking to my dad about 1984 -- the book not the year -- and being somewhat surprised he didn't find it to be either prescient or honestly much of an interesting book in any case. While when I read it it definitely filled me with a sense of dread. I suppose "in his day" much of the predictions had not yet come true, and he didn't quite grasp how now they most definitely have.
im3w1l 4y ago
> The Jews will hide behind the stones and the trees, and the stones and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. Eerie, isn't it?

trompetenaccoun 4y ago

My friend, these are dangerous thoughts! Once we have our wifi-enabled brain interfaces you will get punished for thinking this. Please train yourself to forget about it now before you get in trouble.

connicpu 4y ago
But will we be punished for thinking it? Or will the chip simply cut off such trains of thought in the first place? :) "Revolutionary new brain implant improves mental health by suppressing damaging* trains of thought"
- akomtu 4y ago
  The former, in a couple centuries. Centralized monitoring of common thoughts will be a solved problem, and the means to circumvent it won't be known by many. This ideal oppression machine will last for a few centuries.
- snerbles 4y ago
  There have already been experiments in altering personal biases and beliefs through transcranial magnetic stimulation [0][1]. Direct electrical stimulation will eventually permit a greater degree of control. > We presented participants with a reminder of death and a critique of their in-group ostensibly written by a member of an out-group, then experimentally decreased both avowed belief in God and out-group derogation by downregulating pMFC activity via transcranial magnetic stimulation. The results provide the first evidence that group prejudice and religious belief are susceptible to targeted neuromodulation, and point to a shared cognitive mechanism underlying concrete and abstract decision processes. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26341901/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26341901/ [1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151014084955.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151014084955.h...
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slickrick216 4y ago

Show us E-papers please

JW_00000 4y ago

Can you provide a source for that last paragraph (the cars uploading GPS traces and cops asking for logs)? I'm interested in knowing more, e.g. which country this happens in, are there any checks and balances, is this constitutional?

slackdog 4y ago
In America: Cars logging their location history and police getting that data: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/04/01/these-companies-track-millions-of-cars-immigration-and-border-police-have-been-grabbing-their-data/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/04/01/these... Geofenced dragnets: https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/05/geofence-warrants-and-the-fourth-amendment/ https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/05/geofence-warrants-and-t...
- est31 4y ago
  Not giving owners (or their lawyers) access to data on what the Autopilot thought: https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/02/26/car-owners-rights-data-access-black-box/4873365002/ https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/02/26/c...
RedComet 4y ago
Look into OnStar.

miohtama 4y ago

In Orwell's 1984, the TV was watching you.

deafpolygon 4y ago
Worse than that.. the billboards were watching you.
- Doxin 4y ago
  I mean go look at modern digital billboards, a bunch of 'em have cameras built in.
  - deafpolygon 4y ago
    yeah, it's a bit creepy how on the nose 1984 was. maybe Orwell was a time-traveler.
    - Doxin 4y ago
      I remember talking to my dad about 1984 -- the book not the year -- and being somewhat surprised he didn't find it to be either prescient or honestly much of an interesting book in any case. While when I read it it definitely filled me with a sense of dread. I suppose "in his day" much of the predictions had not yet come true, and he didn't quite grasp how now they most definitely have.

im3w1l 4y ago

> The Jews will hide behind the stones and the trees, and the stones and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. Eerie, isn't it?