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An material efficient and cost effective battery recycling industry would be key if we want a somehow durable way of keeping private vehicles. It's hard to bel
by raphaelj 4y ago
An material efficient and cost effective battery recycling industry would be key if we want a somehow durable way of keeping private vehicles.
It's hard to believe we could provide 1 ton batteries to 5B+ people long-term without efficient recycling. The mineral reserves are just not enough.
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- convolvatron 4y agoI fail to see why we should to adopt the constraint that every single human being needs tons of machinery for their sole use just in order to survive.
- alexose 4y ago5B is probably too high an estimate, but there are somewhere around 1.4B cars on the road today. And around 288 million in the US alone. I'm not saying everyone on the planet should own a car, but I certainly wouldn't bet on this market shrinking any time soon.
- sliken 4y agoSure if you have $50k for a car, can charge at home, and want to drive 300 miles without charging then you need 1 ton (or so) of batteries. But as electrification improves, more charging stations, better autonomous driving, car sharing services that don't require drivers, etc. The size of batteries can shrink and the number of people that need dedicated cars will decrease. A self driving EV could be significantly cheaper than human driven Uber/Lyft, allowing more people to opt in only as needed, which makes public transit more feasible.
- wilg 4y agoTesla just had a whole thing yesterday arguing that not only are there more than enough minerals, it would require less mining to be in a sustainable energy economy than it does now. https://electrek.co/2023/03/01/tesla-does-the-math-transition-world-sustainable-energy/ https://electrek.co/2023/03/01/tesla-does-the-math-transitio...