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Despite this, I'm an advocate for martian self-determination when it comes to deciding their timekeeping system. Earthlings, despite their good intentions, shou

Despite this, I'm an advocate for martian self-determination when it comes to deciding their timekeeping system. Earthlings, despite their good intentions, should stay out of the matter categorically.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Everyone says this but reality never seems to work out that way when push comes to shove. Will you be singing that tune when a religious minority you hate moves there, establishes a theocratic government, starts teaching women to read, hanging undesirables and troublemakers and regressing on pretty much every human right your ancestors died for, bonus points for starting a war with the locals. That said, in the historical example I'm referencing the state was too weak to do much about them from afar and they did clean itself up after subsequent immigration diluted their culture over the following 100yr. God what a bunch of assholes they were in the meantime though...
- tdba 4y ago
  You are of course talking about the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople.
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    I was thinking the English settlement of eastern Massachusetts and the Connecticut river valley but I guess that works too.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  I refuse to get involved in Martian politics. You can CIA them however you want though. I'm sure you can find just as many instances where foreign meddling and infantilization of people had disastrous consequences. You'll be happy to know that you can appreciate their input on Earth matters as much as they'll appreciate yours on martian matters.
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throw0101a 4y ago
What about Belters? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series)
- cwkoss 4y ago
  They'd probably keep the time of their primary trade partners. I feel like there is a nautical precedent, but can't remember specifically. Does everyone on the ISS stick to the same time zone? Or do they tend to sleep with their country of origin?
  - throw0101a 4y ago
    > Does everyone on the ISS stick to the same time zone? Or do they tend to sleep with their country of origin? UTC for everyone.
cornholio 4y ago
I agree; but unless we discover some inteligent indigenous species, Martian self determination can happen only if earthlings will go and live on Mars. And for that, they will need clocks, clocks made on Earth by other earthlings.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

Everyone says this but reality never seems to work out that way when push comes to shove. Will you be singing that tune when a religious minority you hate moves there, establishes a theocratic government, starts teaching women to read, hanging undesirables and troublemakers and regressing on pretty much every human right your ancestors died for, bonus points for starting a war with the locals. That said, in the historical example I'm referencing the state was too weak to do much about them from afar and they did clean itself up after subsequent immigration diluted their culture over the following 100yr. God what a bunch of assholes they were in the meantime though...

tdba 4y ago
You are of course talking about the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  I was thinking the English settlement of eastern Massachusetts and the Connecticut river valley but I guess that works too.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
I refuse to get involved in Martian politics. You can CIA them however you want though. I'm sure you can find just as many instances where foreign meddling and infantilization of people had disastrous consequences. You'll be happy to know that you can appreciate their input on Earth matters as much as they'll appreciate yours on martian matters.

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throw0101a 4y ago

What about Belters? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series)

cwkoss 4y ago
They'd probably keep the time of their primary trade partners. I feel like there is a nautical precedent, but can't remember specifically. Does everyone on the ISS stick to the same time zone? Or do they tend to sleep with their country of origin?
- throw0101a 4y ago
  > Does everyone on the ISS stick to the same time zone? Or do they tend to sleep with their country of origin? UTC for everyone.

cornholio 4y ago

I agree; but unless we discover some inteligent indigenous species, Martian self determination can happen only if earthlings will go and live on Mars. And for that, they will need clocks, clocks made on Earth by other earthlings.