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My main frustrations of AI and art is that people often frame art as a product the creator has made, instead of something part of the creator. What I'm referri

My main frustrations of AI and art is that people often frame art as a product the creator has made, instead of something part of the creator. What I'm referring to here is the parts of self that artists put into their work. For example, many of Raymond Carver's characters in his short stories are blue collar workers in the mid-west. He's writing from experience. He was a blue collar worker from the mid-west. (I'm not referring to 'separating art from the artist', that's a different conversation). In many aspects of art, art is certainly a product that the creator is making and intending to do so, but in other aspects it isn't - it's something the creator is making as part of themselves. In conversations with AI and art, especially with AI creating visual media, I feel like people often forget this point of view. Does this mean that someone using AI to create art can't put some of themselves into it? No, I don't think so. Does this mean that art created with AI that has no human element in it, aside from prompts, isn't art? No, I don't think so as well. Art can be art without any human element at all. One can even consider prompts part of that human element. It's just my opinion that this point of view is often missed in discussions. People sometimes make art because they want to, they have something to say, they have feelings they want to express, or they just want to have fun. AI can be used in this way as well. I think people view artist's complaints similar to people losing their jobs in the industrial revolution. This is in some way correct, but it also just completely skips over the emotions, soul, and self that people put into what they create. At the end of the day though, I don't think what I'm saying here is new at all. There are intentional artists, and then there's zombie formalism [0] or songs written by a team whose job it is to make a hit. Sorry for the rambling, I just wish people viewed art more than a product to be sold. And at the end of the day, maybe my opinion is just my own. I love reading about the process an artist takes and their entire life, but I know not everyone does the same. [0]: https://www.artspace.com/magazine/contributors/see_here/the_rise_of_zombie_formalism-52184 https://www.artspace.com/magazine/contributors/see_here/the_...

hallux 4y ago
This is only my interpretation of things, but I've noticed that people who already listen to music in a way where the music is just "filling a hole" in their sonic space, where the music doesn't get the attention it deserves, where the possible lyrics aren't even paid any attention to, where the artist and the art are never even put together, making separating them from each other a moot point, tend to have a more positive view towards AI-generated music. They don't spend time analyzing music or the lyrics of a musical piece. They aren't putting the art in the context of the life of the creator, and much less trying to understand the music. They are listening to the music for what it is to them: JUST music. Contrast this with another way of listening to music, a way that's much closer to my heart than what's described above: imagine the music itself evokes something in you, after that so do the lyrics, after which you decide to read the liner notes, which prompts you to Google something about the artist, because what you found is so interesting that you want to try to figure out WHO is behind the music. Maybe you want to try to learn what in their life prompted them to make the music they did. You might read interviews of the artist, you might watch a documentary – you might be subjected to a totally new world-view because you are getting to know the artist. One day you come back to the song that prompted all this, and a fragment of the lyrics reminds you of something you read about the artist and it all of a sudden something clicks and you've put the song's lyrics and meaning into a whole new context. I don't know if I need to say this, but I don't just loathe AI-generated music; I also loathe making music just for music's sake. There's something more in good music than just the music, and I don't want a future where all that's behind the music is a pile of linear algebra.

hallux 4y ago

This is only my interpretation of things, but I've noticed that people who already listen to music in a way where the music is just "filling a hole" in their sonic space, where the music doesn't get the attention it deserves, where the possible lyrics aren't even paid any attention to, where the artist and the art are never even put together, making separating them from each other a moot point, tend to have a more positive view towards AI-generated music. They don't spend time analyzing music or the lyrics of a musical piece. They aren't putting the art in the context of the life of the creator, and much less trying to understand the music. They are listening to the music for what it is to them: JUST music. Contrast this with another way of listening to music, a way that's much closer to my heart than what's described above: imagine the music itself evokes something in you, after that so do the lyrics, after which you decide to read the liner notes, which prompts you to Google something about the artist, because what you found is so interesting that you want to try to figure out WHO is behind the music. Maybe you want to try to learn what in their life prompted them to make the music they did. You might read interviews of the artist, you might watch a documentary – you might be subjected to a totally new world-view because you are getting to know the artist. One day you come back to the song that prompted all this, and a fragment of the lyrics reminds you of something you read about the artist and it all of a sudden something clicks and you've put the song's lyrics and meaning into a whole new context. I don't know if I need to say this, but I don't just loathe AI-generated music; I also loathe making music just for music's sake. There's something more in good music than just the music, and I don't want a future where all that's behind the music is a pile of linear algebra.