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Competition drives innovation, believe it or not. Leveraging bundling to avoid having software compete on their individual merits 1:1 with competitors is not g

Competition drives innovation, believe it or not. Leveraging bundling to avoid having software compete on their individual merits 1:1 with competitors is not good for innovation

scarface74 4y ago
Yes that’s why all of the successful tech companies come out of the EU…
- adam_arthur 4y ago
  A fact that is not related to the discussion. There have been no laws towards fostering competition within walled gardens in either the US or EU until now. Apple had no app store competition until now. Do you contend the app store will not see material improvements in the future now that it finally has within bundle competition? Why has Apple suddenly started investing so heavily in Safari over the past year, now that they will soon be forced to allow competing browsers?
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Apple has plenty of competition for their product that includes an App Store. If you don’t like their product, you’re free to get an Android device like 85% of the rest of the world and 2/3rd of the EU.
    - adam_arthur 4y ago
      The nuance of anti-competitiveness through bundling or the merits of competition at more granular levels appears lost to you. If products have to compete on their own merits, rather than leaning on other aspects of a larger bundle, then software and products get better for all of society. For example, if you were allowed to install any car OS you wanted, rather than forced to use the manufacturers, car OSes would improve significantly. Some people will buy a car for the hardware, despite terrible software. This is bad for the evolution of car software. If a manufacturer was forced to compete, they would have to invest more heavily in improving their software... or simply cede control of the OS to a better implemented third party one, and focus on the hardware. Both outcomes are better for consumers than allowing anti-competitiveness via bundling
      - scarface74 4y ago
        No one wants you to be able to install any CarOS. What you can have on a car info system is strictly regulated for safety reasons. For instance you can’t have video showing where the driver can see it while driving. On my old car with Ford Sync, you couldn’t even pair a phone with your radio while the car was running. A “product” is a combination of software and hardware. My opinion is that both Windows is worse than Macs and Android is worse than iPhones because they aren’t an integrated product. It’s the same with game consoles.
    - kyboren 4y ago
      GlobalSuperMegaCorp has plenty of competition for their company town that includes a grocery store. If you don't like their company town, you're free to move to another town like 85% of the rest of the world. Oh and BTW there are only two countries in the world, one of them is entirely comprised of GlobalSuperMegaCorp's monolith city-state company town, and the other is entirely comprised of company towns run by franchisees of OtherMassiveGlobalCorp.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Yes because the level of effort to choose a different phone is equivalent to moving to a different city… 85% of the worlds population uses an Android. They made a different choice, why can’t you? There are over a billion people in China that don’t use Google’s Android. And there are phones for geeks that don’t use Google’s Android. The other 85% are using phones that allow them to escape the “wall garden”. It’s like complaining that you locked yourself in a room and threw away the key.

Competition drives innovation, believe it or not. Leveraging bundling to avoid having software compete on their individual merits 1:1 with competitors is not good for innovation

scarface74 4y ago

Yes that’s why all of the successful tech companies come out of the EU…

adam_arthur 4y ago
A fact that is not related to the discussion. There have been no laws towards fostering competition within walled gardens in either the US or EU until now. Apple had no app store competition until now. Do you contend the app store will not see material improvements in the future now that it finally has within bundle competition? Why has Apple suddenly started investing so heavily in Safari over the past year, now that they will soon be forced to allow competing browsers?
- scarface74 4y ago
  Apple has plenty of competition for their product that includes an App Store. If you don’t like their product, you’re free to get an Android device like 85% of the rest of the world and 2/3rd of the EU.
  - adam_arthur 4y ago
    The nuance of anti-competitiveness through bundling or the merits of competition at more granular levels appears lost to you. If products have to compete on their own merits, rather than leaning on other aspects of a larger bundle, then software and products get better for all of society. For example, if you were allowed to install any car OS you wanted, rather than forced to use the manufacturers, car OSes would improve significantly. Some people will buy a car for the hardware, despite terrible software. This is bad for the evolution of car software. If a manufacturer was forced to compete, they would have to invest more heavily in improving their software... or simply cede control of the OS to a better implemented third party one, and focus on the hardware. Both outcomes are better for consumers than allowing anti-competitiveness via bundling
    - scarface74 4y ago
      No one wants you to be able to install any CarOS. What you can have on a car info system is strictly regulated for safety reasons. For instance you can’t have video showing where the driver can see it while driving. On my old car with Ford Sync, you couldn’t even pair a phone with your radio while the car was running. A “product” is a combination of software and hardware. My opinion is that both Windows is worse than Macs and Android is worse than iPhones because they aren’t an integrated product. It’s the same with game consoles.
  - kyboren 4y ago
    GlobalSuperMegaCorp has plenty of competition for their company town that includes a grocery store. If you don't like their company town, you're free to move to another town like 85% of the rest of the world. Oh and BTW there are only two countries in the world, one of them is entirely comprised of GlobalSuperMegaCorp's monolith city-state company town, and the other is entirely comprised of company towns run by franchisees of OtherMassiveGlobalCorp.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Yes because the level of effort to choose a different phone is equivalent to moving to a different city… 85% of the worlds population uses an Android. They made a different choice, why can’t you? There are over a billion people in China that don’t use Google’s Android. And there are phones for geeks that don’t use Google’s Android. The other 85% are using phones that allow them to escape the “wall garden”. It’s like complaining that you locked yourself in a room and threw away the key.