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Pretending that two wrongs make a right or that everything is equally bad won't help, though. Democracies are often found wanting when measured against their st

by qsort 4y ago

Pretending that two wrongs make a right or that everything is equally bad won't help, though. Democracies are often found wanting when measured against their standards. That's still better than having absolutely none whatsoever.

FpUser 4y ago
>"Pretending that two wrongs make a right or that everything is equally bad" Where did you get this idea from? I said explicitly that theirs s worse. What I do not want is for us heading in the same direction which we seem to be doing lately. While I appreciate that we are in much better shape the trend does not bring celebratory mood.
- qsort 4y ago
  It was not directed at you personally. It's just that I see a lot of "china bad but US also bad" and it's textbook whataboutism.
  - FpUser 4y ago
    Every time one mentions whataboutism I think of hypocrisy.
    - simonh 4y ago
      Whataboutism is hypocritical because, by comparing it to some other 'crime' it is an implicit acceptance that the issue in question is a 'crime'. West: Putin invading Ukraine is wrong. Troll: Whatabout the US troops in Syria? West: So you believe forign military adventures are wrong? Troll: Of course they are. West: Then you agree Putin's invasion of Ukraine is wrong? Troll: but, but, but Syria. West: Now that we've established you think Putin's invasion of Ukraine is wrong and should be condemned, sure, let's discuss the Syrian situation and US operations against ISIS on it's own merits.
      - FpUser 4y ago
        >"Whataboutism is hypocritical because, by comparing it to some other 'crime' it is an implicit acceptance that the issue in question is a 'crime'." Absolute BS. There is absolutely no acceptance. There must be severe punishment for Putin and his clique. And while we are at it remind me what is / was the punishment for other direct and indirect invasions / meddling with huge loss of life like Vietnam, Iraq, etc. etc. Hypocrisy is when you keep yappin about one side but you know that your side is doing the same thing. You know it is wrong and you know you are not gonna do shit about it. Hence you are completely condoning a crime. I am all for all perpetrators, many of them alive and rich to be brought to justice. So when is the next hearing in Hague? Your contrived dialog about the west / troll is total BS as well.
- simonh 4y ago
  I suspect it came from the post I was replying to, rather than yourself directly.

by qsort 4y ago

FpUser 4y ago

>"Pretending that two wrongs make a right or that everything is equally bad" Where did you get this idea from? I said explicitly that theirs s worse. What I do not want is for us heading in the same direction which we seem to be doing lately. While I appreciate that we are in much better shape the trend does not bring celebratory mood.

qsort 4y ago
It was not directed at you personally. It's just that I see a lot of "china bad but US also bad" and it's textbook whataboutism.
- FpUser 4y ago
  Every time one mentions whataboutism I think of hypocrisy.
  - simonh 4y ago
    Whataboutism is hypocritical because, by comparing it to some other 'crime' it is an implicit acceptance that the issue in question is a 'crime'. West: Putin invading Ukraine is wrong. Troll: Whatabout the US troops in Syria? West: So you believe forign military adventures are wrong? Troll: Of course they are. West: Then you agree Putin's invasion of Ukraine is wrong? Troll: but, but, but Syria. West: Now that we've established you think Putin's invasion of Ukraine is wrong and should be condemned, sure, let's discuss the Syrian situation and US operations against ISIS on it's own merits.
    - FpUser 4y ago
      >"Whataboutism is hypocritical because, by comparing it to some other 'crime' it is an implicit acceptance that the issue in question is a 'crime'." Absolute BS. There is absolutely no acceptance. There must be severe punishment for Putin and his clique. And while we are at it remind me what is / was the punishment for other direct and indirect invasions / meddling with huge loss of life like Vietnam, Iraq, etc. etc. Hypocrisy is when you keep yappin about one side but you know that your side is doing the same thing. You know it is wrong and you know you are not gonna do shit about it. Hence you are completely condoning a crime. I am all for all perpetrators, many of them alive and rich to be brought to justice. So when is the next hearing in Hague? Your contrived dialog about the west / troll is total BS as well.
simonh 4y ago
I suspect it came from the post I was replying to, rather than yourself directly.