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Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely – TechTarget

20 points by isaacfrond 4y ago

DBformore 4y ago
And 90% of software engineers prefer to take 100 vacation days per year :) why not It is interesting to hear what they want, and as an employee, I agree. However most of the companies I know want to see the employee at least one day a week, I think it's a fair compromise.
- j0hnyl 4y ago
  It's not a fair compromise, because it's largely useless. About 2/3 of employees want to work remote for very practical reasons. Time saved commuting, increased productivity, more autonomy in the day to day life. Having people come in once per week as a compromise is purely an exercise in optics the majority of the time.
senttoschool 4y ago
40% of software engineers only want remote work. 99% of software engineers want a salary of at least $200k/year. Credit for a coworking place in case they get bored WFH too much. Credit for home internet. Credit for ordering Uber Food because they don't get free office food anymore. Ideally, the company also sends someone to their home office to clean it and to wash the laundry. Also, work should only be 4 days/week. Work should start at 10:30AM, then standup at 11am, then check email, 12PM is for Yoga/workout time, then lunch at 1pm. Finally, end work at 5 pm. Company should care about BLM. Company should care about environment. Let's also make a union for tech workers to negotiate with company. Having worked in tech (Silicon Valley) for 10+ years, I've never seen a group of people who are as entitled as software engineers here.
- beecafe 4y ago
  Sounds like you're just too bad at engineering to get stuff done on such a schedule. Why don't you get your brain checked out? Most normal people can easily get productive work done 4 days a few working 4 productive hours a day. If you think this is entitled, that must be since you are unable to achieve the same thing. In that case, I implore you to look for early signs of cognitive issues, since if you address that, you might find yourself able to enjoy things, get stuff done quickly, and not force yourself to burn out for someone else's paycheck.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    Bro, why don't you just say what you're thinking in a more direct way. I think you're passive aggressively saying I'm a weak engineer but god engineers like yourself deserve the entitlement. Right?
    - kadomony 4y ago
      I mean, are they wrong? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    - fsociety 4y ago
      You just ranted and called a bunch of engineers entitled for wanting a higher salary in addition to other things. What kind of responses did you expect to get?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- piaste 4y ago
  The companies who bent over backwards to give them all of those benefits are not public services or non-profit altruists. They're ruthless capitalists and if they could get the same value by paying developers $20k with no benefits, they would. Hell, they keep trying to (and mostly failing). Despite that, they're still comfortably making billions when not trillions. So I'm not very inclined to weep for the abuse they suffer from their entitled workforce. The pay, the hours, the benefits, that's simply what work can look like when the power balance between labour and capital moves a little bit in favour of the former. If you're part of the 0.000001%, sure, ask yourself how to put a stop to such "entitlement". For everybody else, the question should be "hey, can we figure out a way to get there too?".
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  If you add flying private and take away the time requirements, you'd have executives. Oh, and add a zero to the salary obviously, not including equity.
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  100% of CEOs and VCs want a bigger yacht. There's your more entitled group of people.
okokwhatever 4y ago
Fair enough. At the end everyone will be laid-off because of a "market disruption", by email and without true regrets. Why should any good engineer desire less than working remotely?
- senttoschool 4y ago
  It has everything to do with supply and demand. When demand is great, then employees have more power. When supply is great, then management has more power. Right now, management has more power. During the last 11 years or so, employees had more power. If you don't want to get laid off remotely, then don't work remotely. Go into the office. Build connections. Personal connections matter for work.
  - fsociety 4y ago
    Save for big tech and unicorn startups, most companies I hear about still have trouble hiring experienced engineers.

20 points by isaacfrond 4y ago

And 90% of software engineers prefer to take 100 vacation days per year :) why not It is interesting to hear what they want, and as an employee, I agree. However most of the companies I know want to see the employee at least one day a week, I think it's a fair compromise.

j0hnyl 4y ago
It's not a fair compromise, because it's largely useless. About 2/3 of employees want to work remote for very practical reasons. Time saved commuting, increased productivity, more autonomy in the day to day life. Having people come in once per week as a compromise is purely an exercise in optics the majority of the time.

senttoschool 4y ago

40% of software engineers only want remote work. 99% of software engineers want a salary of at least $200k/year. Credit for a coworking place in case they get bored WFH too much. Credit for home internet. Credit for ordering Uber Food because they don't get free office food anymore. Ideally, the company also sends someone to their home office to clean it and to wash the laundry. Also, work should only be 4 days/week. Work should start at 10:30AM, then standup at 11am, then check email, 12PM is for Yoga/workout time, then lunch at 1pm. Finally, end work at 5 pm. Company should care about BLM. Company should care about environment. Let's also make a union for tech workers to negotiate with company. Having worked in tech (Silicon Valley) for 10+ years, I've never seen a group of people who are as entitled as software engineers here.

beecafe 4y ago
Sounds like you're just too bad at engineering to get stuff done on such a schedule. Why don't you get your brain checked out? Most normal people can easily get productive work done 4 days a few working 4 productive hours a day. If you think this is entitled, that must be since you are unable to achieve the same thing. In that case, I implore you to look for early signs of cognitive issues, since if you address that, you might find yourself able to enjoy things, get stuff done quickly, and not force yourself to burn out for someone else's paycheck.
- senttoschool 4y ago
  Bro, why don't you just say what you're thinking in a more direct way. I think you're passive aggressively saying I'm a weak engineer but god engineers like yourself deserve the entitlement. Right?
  - kadomony 4y ago
    I mean, are they wrong? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  - fsociety 4y ago
    You just ranted and called a bunch of engineers entitled for wanting a higher salary in addition to other things. What kind of responses did you expect to get?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
piaste 4y ago
The companies who bent over backwards to give them all of those benefits are not public services or non-profit altruists. They're ruthless capitalists and if they could get the same value by paying developers $20k with no benefits, they would. Hell, they keep trying to (and mostly failing). Despite that, they're still comfortably making billions when not trillions. So I'm not very inclined to weep for the abuse they suffer from their entitled workforce. The pay, the hours, the benefits, that's simply what work can look like when the power balance between labour and capital moves a little bit in favour of the former. If you're part of the 0.000001%, sure, ask yourself how to put a stop to such "entitlement". For everybody else, the question should be "hey, can we figure out a way to get there too?".
hotpotamus 4y ago
If you add flying private and take away the time requirements, you'd have executives. Oh, and add a zero to the salary obviously, not including equity.
TheCoelacanth 4y ago
100% of CEOs and VCs want a bigger yacht. There's your more entitled group of people.

okokwhatever 4y ago

Fair enough. At the end everyone will be laid-off because of a "market disruption", by email and without true regrets. Why should any good engineer desire less than working remotely?

senttoschool 4y ago
It has everything to do with supply and demand. When demand is great, then employees have more power. When supply is great, then management has more power. Right now, management has more power. During the last 11 years or so, employees had more power. If you don't want to get laid off remotely, then don't work remotely. Go into the office. Build connections. Personal connections matter for work.
- fsociety 4y ago
  Save for big tech and unicorn startups, most companies I hear about still have trouble hiring experienced engineers.