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How a private freaking company does shit is not some republican vs democrat debate. They can lock down their products or not, you have no say in the matter unle

by _8j50 4y ago

How a private freaking company does shit is not some republican vs democrat debate. They can lock down their products or not, you have no say in the matter unless you own apple shares! > This belief that only extremely high walls will protect us, that Apple and Apple alone can maintain order is preposterous You? Why is this about you now? This is about apple protecting their brand and profit margin not protecting users from anything. > And they never ever give even a token nod to how much would be possible, to the idea that maybe Apple users could & should come to expect more, if the gate weren't so high & they could see out. Use shitty android and leave us alone lol. There is a shit android phone that does all the things you want. Stop trying to push your ideals down other people's throat. Apple wants to make products a certain way and people are free to not buy apple products. End of story. If I want a locked down closed source ecosystem with proprietary peripherals and all that, who the hell are you to tell me I can't have that. This isn't politics, buy a different product and vote with your wallet.

rektide 4y ago
You've avoided making any argument about what value Apple is providing by forcing their ecosystem doen consumers throats & eliminating intercompatibility. Your whole argument is Apple can do what it wants, no matter how bad. Personally I'd like to reason from principles, about what should be & what risks would be. If we want to discuss, I think allowing some speculation & consideration for what could be is required. And the only arguments I see from the Stay Inside Castle Apple crowd are risk related, and they rely on the spreading of fear uncertainty & doubt, portraying a chaotic unsafe world where everything outside the castle wall is anarchy & disaster. Using fear like this is a broadly political tactic, is an argument towards a conservative outlook. And it just feels unhinged, detached, & not reperesentative of the actual world.
- _8j50 4y ago
  > You've avoided making any argument about what value Apple is providing by forcing their ecosystem doen consumers throats & eliminating intercompatibility. Your whole argument is Apple can do what it wants, no matter how bad No my argument is, unless apple is harming consumers in a sepecific market, this is nothing but bullying by EU. If apple marketed to all consumers then you can say it is stifling competition but since it is a high end luxury brand competitors that can't afford its rules to have their products tested and validated after a fee are not competing in the same market as apple. The entire purpose of the brand and product is to be exclusive. You people are saying exclusivity has no place in any market. Instead of competing fairly like android does you force apple and apple consumers to tolerate a marker they don't want to be part of. A lot of arguments make sense if there weren't already like a million android skus from various vendors for you to choose from. It's like you prefer apple but you want to tell apple how to run its business so it becomes like android, just be fair and use android. > Using fear like this is a broadly political tactic, is an argument towards a conservative outlook. This has nothing to do with politics. I used android for ages, I finally have a real usable phone and shitty policies and fanatical people like you are trying to take that away and make everything as shitty as everything else. I pay apple whatever it wants to keep the quality and exclusivity. You very well knoe plenty of android phones have better specs and are more open, I choose an inferior spec iphone precisely because it is closed source and the interface both in hardware and software are consistent and reliable and pleasant! > And it just feels unhinged, detached, & not reperesentative of the actual world. You can have your opinions and needs and I can have mine. I won't take away your choices from you so don't take away my one and only choice.

by _8j50 4y ago

rektide 4y ago

You've avoided making any argument about what value Apple is providing by forcing their ecosystem doen consumers throats & eliminating intercompatibility. Your whole argument is Apple can do what it wants, no matter how bad. Personally I'd like to reason from principles, about what should be & what risks would be. If we want to discuss, I think allowing some speculation & consideration for what could be is required. And the only arguments I see from the Stay Inside Castle Apple crowd are risk related, and they rely on the spreading of fear uncertainty & doubt, portraying a chaotic unsafe world where everything outside the castle wall is anarchy & disaster. Using fear like this is a broadly political tactic, is an argument towards a conservative outlook. And it just feels unhinged, detached, & not reperesentative of the actual world.

_8j50 4y ago
> You've avoided making any argument about what value Apple is providing by forcing their ecosystem doen consumers throats & eliminating intercompatibility. Your whole argument is Apple can do what it wants, no matter how bad No my argument is, unless apple is harming consumers in a sepecific market, this is nothing but bullying by EU. If apple marketed to all consumers then you can say it is stifling competition but since it is a high end luxury brand competitors that can't afford its rules to have their products tested and validated after a fee are not competing in the same market as apple. The entire purpose of the brand and product is to be exclusive. You people are saying exclusivity has no place in any market. Instead of competing fairly like android does you force apple and apple consumers to tolerate a marker they don't want to be part of. A lot of arguments make sense if there weren't already like a million android skus from various vendors for you to choose from. It's like you prefer apple but you want to tell apple how to run its business so it becomes like android, just be fair and use android. > Using fear like this is a broadly political tactic, is an argument towards a conservative outlook. This has nothing to do with politics. I used android for ages, I finally have a real usable phone and shitty policies and fanatical people like you are trying to take that away and make everything as shitty as everything else. I pay apple whatever it wants to keep the quality and exclusivity. You very well knoe plenty of android phones have better specs and are more open, I choose an inferior spec iphone precisely because it is closed source and the interface both in hardware and software are consistent and reliable and pleasant! > And it just feels unhinged, detached, & not reperesentative of the actual world. You can have your opinions and needs and I can have mine. I won't take away your choices from you so don't take away my one and only choice.