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No I won't, I will continue to go outside. Legally there is nothing the service renderer can do to me. I don't care how they think of me as a result. I've never
by usui 4y ago
No I won't, I will continue to go outside. Legally there is nothing the service renderer can do to me. I don't care how they think of me as a result. I've never been refused service before.
They give me a total price, I pay it without issue, and that's how it goes.
- selectodude 4y agoThat's fine. Legally nothing will happen to you. Morally, I've never met you and I think you're a bad person.
- dcow 4y agoWhat's the moral dilemma here? Who's being harmed? And who is responsible?
- selectodude 4y agoThe moral dilemma here is that there is a societal expectation of a tip. The employee is not paid a living wage and are working for tips. You're welcome to opt out of tipping by opting out of dining at restaurants. Taking advantage of the societal norms is just taking advantage of your fellow human because it's "not illegal". It's shit. No different from driving in the shoulder because you don't feel like sitting in traffic or cutting a line and daring people to do something about it.
- dcow 4y agoSorry what's the moral dilemma? Not participating in society norms? That's immoral, you're kidding right? As far as I understand society expects that people working hourly make a minimum wage. If they're not paid minimum wage, then it's illegal and their employer is liable for damages and punishment. What's immoral is a situation where an employer is not paying an employee the wages our laws require. There's no "social minimum wage" for tip workers. There's a market for their services. If somebody wants to do more valuable labor in some other capacity nobody is stopping them just as nobody is forcing them to work for tips. Driving on the shoulder is justifiable in certain scenarios, like if you need to get to a hospital. It's not absolutely immoral.
- threatofrain 4y agoI'd also add -- do people tip Walmart workers? Waitstaff can easily make more money than a Walmart worker. If the argument is that it's morally wrong to pay a sub-living wage, then whether restaurant work is more skilled is immaterial to the moral problem of unlivable wages. But somehow it's moral not to tip a Walmart worker simply because of American norms?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y agoOr just don't shop at Walmart.