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I don't understand this logic: you know that waitstaff in restaurants are paid less than minimum wage because they make it up in tips, so you choose not to tip

by vore 4y ago

I don't understand this logic: you know that waitstaff in restaurants are paid less than minimum wage because they make it up in tips, so you choose not to tip them which actively contributes to them making less than minimum wage? The system is shitty but you're okay with screwing over the individuals who are forced to participate in the system with "no moral qualms"?

dd36 4y ago
They’d have to quit or the restaurant pay better.
dcow 4y ago
No I just said I tip at least 10% at full service restaurants because I understand the situation, but I'd rather not anymore.
- vore 4y ago
  I think you should include that in your original comment, because it gave me a very different impression!
  - dcow 4y ago
    It's in the last paragraph where I describe my practice of tipping in bands. Flat rate numbers roughly related to the amount of the bill.
- soupfordummies 4y ago
  (Assuming you're in the US) That's still kind of a dick move, man... That's the social contract -- you go to a full service restaurant, you tip 20% of the bill. I can understand for things like even retail and other non-traditional PoS stuff but for full service dining, this isn't new. If you want to opt out of participating in the whole tip structure there, then you probably should opt out of participating in full service dining as well.
  - shitlord 4y ago
    > That's the social contract -- you go to a full service restaurant, you tip 20% of the bill. When did it go from 15% to 20%? Is it because people don't tip in cash anymore, making it more difficult for service staff to evade taxes?
    - aydyn 4y ago
      It didn't except in the minds of delusional people, and I'm never paying 20%.
  - dcow 4y ago
    When I was raised and educated on these matters, it was 15%. 20% is reserved for exceptional service. I've actually decided the real problem is clueless people like you trying to tip police others over immaterial minutia like exact tip percentage. Do my napkin FFS and see for yourself what my percentage averages out to. You're the ones manufacturing frantic guilt. It's like atheists and unknowns. Christ.
  - Indomit 4y ago
    This is strange. Isn’t the idea that servers knowingly make a gamble that they can generate more from tips (performance) than less than minimum wage? So if you order a drink that costs $1000, the server should get $200 for that?

by vore 4y ago

dd36 4y ago

They’d have to quit or the restaurant pay better.

dcow 4y ago

No I just said I tip at least 10% at full service restaurants because I understand the situation, but I'd rather not anymore.

vore 4y ago
I think you should include that in your original comment, because it gave me a very different impression!
- dcow 4y ago
  It's in the last paragraph where I describe my practice of tipping in bands. Flat rate numbers roughly related to the amount of the bill.
soupfordummies 4y ago
(Assuming you're in the US) That's still kind of a dick move, man... That's the social contract -- you go to a full service restaurant, you tip 20% of the bill. I can understand for things like even retail and other non-traditional PoS stuff but for full service dining, this isn't new. If you want to opt out of participating in the whole tip structure there, then you probably should opt out of participating in full service dining as well.
- shitlord 4y ago
  > That's the social contract -- you go to a full service restaurant, you tip 20% of the bill. When did it go from 15% to 20%? Is it because people don't tip in cash anymore, making it more difficult for service staff to evade taxes?
  - aydyn 4y ago
    It didn't except in the minds of delusional people, and I'm never paying 20%.
- dcow 4y ago
  When I was raised and educated on these matters, it was 15%. 20% is reserved for exceptional service. I've actually decided the real problem is clueless people like you trying to tip police others over immaterial minutia like exact tip percentage. Do my napkin FFS and see for yourself what my percentage averages out to. You're the ones manufacturing frantic guilt. It's like atheists and unknowns. Christ.
- Indomit 4y ago
  This is strange. Isn’t the idea that servers knowingly make a gamble that they can generate more from tips (performance) than less than minimum wage? So if you order a drink that costs $1000, the server should get $200 for that?